Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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drvenner said:
You're correct. I guess I should have specified Major League Contract and not minor league contract. In my defense, MLB is major league baseball.
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It's one reason some of these guys give football a shot at the college level. They can re-enter the MLB draft even after junior season or turning 21 if they decide they can better their draft stock straight out of HS or if they want to pursue a different sport.

The MLB restricts any contract player from playing other sports...at all. They also use the minor league system to get around paying full guaranteed contracts. So being drafted out of HS and getting an offer of 1.8 may not mean you're a millionaire, the minor league grind would be involved somewhat before you'd get it all guaranteed at least that's how I've read it.

In theory you can be drafted AND cut in the NFL and still make more than 1.8 million without ever playing a down. If you negotiated a front end loaded guaranteed signing bonus type deal.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Cam Sutton, Derek Barnett, Jalen Hurd, JRM, Josh Malone...I tend to agree that Butch did bring in talent until the "new" of his cliche wore off and kids were over it.
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And honestly every new coach has that window available to them. It's the new coach bump. It's all about if a coach can overcome major inflection points and go from "help us rebuild" to "we are on the precipice of a championship". Butch got that far, but couldn't deliver even an East title and 2016 was a disappointment. Recruiting fell off after that and it was like a bee going into the nectar and getting stuck...no way of getting out of that hole.

Jeremy will have these next 2 years to situate us in East title conversations and progress the recruiting narrative. But he'll need to win those big inflection point games or he too will have an impossible hill to climb back from.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
It's one reason some of these guys give football a shot at the college level. They can re-enter the MLB draft even after junior season or turning 21 if they decide they can better their draft stock straight out of HS or if they want to pursue a different sport.

The MLB restricts any contract player from playing other sports...at all. They also use the minor league system to get around paying full guaranteed contracts. So being drafted out of HS and getting an offer of 1.8 may not mean you're a millionaire, the minor league grind would be involved somewhat before you'd get it all guaranteed at least that's how I've read it.

In theory you can be drafted AND cut in the NFL and still make more than 1.8 million without ever playing a down. If you negotiated a front end loaded guaranteed signing bonus type deal.
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Pretty sure the signing bonus is fully guaranteed. It may not be paid in one lump sum, but it's guaranteed. Kyler Murray received a $5 million signing bonus for being picked 9th, and he had to pay back the portion that he had already received.

The difference is that the annual salary will be minimal for 6-7 years, so he would need to be wise with his 1.8 million from the start. If he gets drafted high in the NFL, then he will obviously make more up front. But in 3 years, he would have a good idea if he is going to make it in baseball or not.
 
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Devo182 said:
Totally believable. I fully am convinced Chaney now prefers mobile guys (Fromm, Fields). He may even really want to try his hand with a true qb run option game. He is flexible, but that is one area I'm not sure he's ever fully ventured. Regardless, he clearly sees the benefits of a mobile qb and that makes me very happy.
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Fromm ain’t a statue, but I don’t see him in that MOBILE designation either. Bet he doesn’t smoke Bailey in a sprint off.
 
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chargervol said:
No sir.
Has been discussed repeatedly how many of our 4 stars weren't pursued by our top rivals.
We have 400 offers out right now, they all SEC caliber?

Don't care which big 10 wanted them or their "offer list".
Percentage wise, how many of our commits were TRULY hard recruited by SEC heavies? Be honest, rough percentage?
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I've heard others suggest this before, but never seen any data on it. Surely one could set a patameter and figure this out. Also figure out what that number ought to be given average recruit or use comps (UF has been very close to us recently). It's either a mythical narrative I've seen all over or a hard truf...I'm not sure either way.
 
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I'm still grieving for the loss of James Holzhauer. He is a true American gem. My kind of guy, a gambler. And he may have changed the way people play Jeopardy forever. He applied basic game theory and math to create advantages and took on a strategy those before him would deem non-traditional and risky. Can't wait to see him in the tournament of champions.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
It's one reason some of these guys give football a shot at the college level. They can re-enter the MLB draft even after junior season or turning 21 if they decide they can better their draft stock straight out of HS or if they want to pursue a different sport.

The MLB restricts any contract player from playing other sports...at all. They also use the minor league system to get around paying full guaranteed contracts. So being drafted out of HS and getting an offer of 1.8 may not mean you're a millionaire, the minor league grind would be involved somewhat before you'd get it all guaranteed at least that's how I've read it.

In theory you can be drafted AND cut in the NFL and still make more than 1.8 million without ever playing a down. If you negotiated a front end loaded guaranteed signing bonus type deal.
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The 1.8 was a signing bonus. He is getting that. It's the other terms that are likely not guaranteed because he is in the minors.
 
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Incredible article that should help the baby boomers on VN understand why we dont automatically sign every kid who was born in Tennessee.

Are you a 5-star football recruit? Here are your odds of getting drafted

In short, high ranking kids go elsewhere because technology/social media has made it easier to get your name out there instead of relying on traditional High School/College relationships. When your in state school has sucked for 10+ years, it makes it even harder to convince to stay. Thanks, this has been my Ted Talk.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
This is it. The CBJ era will always be a "what if" for me, cause unlike Dooley who legit couldn't recruit there was talent to be a better than average SEC team. And we peaked with 8 wins twice before the wheels exploded.
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Butch pulls out UF (locking up the East for us) and 1 out 3 from off OU, Bama, Ark and the history books are probably rewritten. Jancek and maybe even s&c coach stay on ...who knows. Just hope we never have this gigantic "what if" over the Pruitt era.
 
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drvenner said:
The 1.8 was a signing bonus. He is getting that. It's the other terms that are likely not guaranteed because he is in the minors.
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holy crap...

seems like a bad move when 1.8 is literally enough for an average american to never have to work ever again. He could have a day 1 career ending injury at lsu. Hope it works out, but jesus what a move.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Let me take it a step further...listen to the VQ podcast from either Friday or Monday when they went through the all 90's team...that is what good recruiting looks like.
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And development. But let's be honest, that period was an aberration for us since integration. I hope we can get back there, but that sure wasn't the norm either.
 
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Devo182 said:
Butch pulls out UF (locking up the East for us) and 1 out 3 from off OU, Bama, Ark and the history books are probably rewritten. Jancek and maybe even s&c coach stay on ...who knows. Just hope we never have this gigantic "what if" over the Pruitt era.
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Maybe...but I think Butch let the strength and conditioning, and the culture of the program, go south. I don't think anything could have fixed that. I don't think that had anything to do with wins and losses, until it did.
 
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bignewt said:
Would you consider Fromm mobile? I mean he can escape pressure but he's not out there on designed runs much is he?
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Right, they didn't really develop a true run game for him, but yeah he has wheels. Iirc he ran for 2 non-short yardage TDs against us his freshman year. For whatever reason they ran him even less last year. I'm surprised they didn't design more for him tbh. I'd compare his wheels to maybe Maurer. King will be faster, more agile.

Chaney may believe like Pruitt - running your QB1 all the time is too big a risk. But maybe being mobile is still such a big asset as to be a "critical factor" for Chaney.
 
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i2amavol said:
Maybe...but I think Butch let the strength and conditioning, and the culture of the program, go south. I don't think anything could have fixed that. I don't think that had anything to do with wins and losses, until it did.
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Could be totally right and you probably are.
 
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Devo182 said:
Right, they didn't really develop a true run game for him, but yeah he has wheels. Iirc he ran for 2 non-short yardage TDs against us his freshman year. For whatever reason they ran him even less last year. I'm surprised they didn't design more for him tbh. I'd compare his wheels to maybe Maurer. King will be faster, more agile.

Chaney may believe like Pruitt - running your QB1 all the time is too big a risk. But maybe being mobile is still such a big asset as to be a "critical factor" for Chaney.
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That was no great feat...running against our D. South Carolina’s QB looked like Dobbs against us.
 
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