Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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chargervol said:
After seeing Lotr Return of the King for the first time, there's 1 little thing I would've changed.

It pretty much would've been 3 straight hours of little Sam hobbit beating the absolute dog pizz out of little Frodo hobbit.
Yeah, that covers it.
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I am a huge LOTR fan and this still made me chuckle.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Ubben’s statement here should be a wake up call to the 8+ win crowd.
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Heck I’m shooting for 7-8 wins but that is including a bowl game win. If Tennessee’s offense is even slightly better this year that adds one or two wins (granted the defense is either better than last years or equal to last years defense)
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I agree, going to Missouri after they've hung 50 on us the last two seasons isn't a game I'd favor us in.

4-0 in OOC will be big this season. We then get USC here and we should have won last year there, we also beat the best KY team in program history and they lost a ton so I think that's another win. Then you beat Vanderbilt at home and you've got 7 wins...

I think we can surprise someone out of the other 5 games (AL, GA, FL, MO, MSST) but who knows.
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Gut feeling is the UGA game. Other than 2017 it’s almost always a game. Even last year we gave a bit of a fight. We get a bye week before that game too. Hopefully Chaney has a hell of a game plan drawn up and we get a pick 6/special teams TD early.
 
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Yeah I think GA (being here) and MSST (being here) seem good candidates...I am also not ruling out upsetting Missouri at their place either. Not sure how much I buy that Dooley is a good/great OC just yet, he had a NFL QB in his 4th year as a starter last year.
 
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LA Vol said:
Want to know what's hurting recruiting? Talk of a long rebuild. The longer recruits think it will take, the less the elite ones want to come... and the less likely we are to keep an elite staff together.
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True, but I'm also not certain what everyone saying it's a rebuild considers "rebuilt" either. For me UT being an 8+ win team consistently again would be good. I think 10 or so wins is where most want to be, but I feel like once you cross 8 wins on a regular basis and are competitive in the other 4 even in losses you're basically where everyone who isn't Bama/Clemson/Ohio State is at that point.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah I think GA (being here) and MSST (being here) seem good candidates...I am also not ruling out upsetting Missouri at their place either. Not sure how much I buy that Dooley is a good/great OC just yet, he had a NFL QB in his 4th year as a starter last year.
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Lock was great but Dooley is a good offensive mind. Especially developing passing and route concepts.

Missouri did a lot of the same things schematics wise that we did while Dooley was our HC. They just a lot better of a qb
 
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LA Vol said:
Want to know what's hurting recruiting? Talk of a long rebuild. The longer recruits think it will take, the less the elite ones want to come... and the less likely we are to keep an elite staff together.
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Our staff was unproven in virtually every facet of coaching from day one. I think the whole elite tag was unwarranted anyway.
 
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HankHill said:
Lock was great but Dooley is a good offensive mind. Especially developing passing and route concepts.

Missouri did a lot of the same things schematics wise that we did while Dooley was our HC. They just a lot better of a qb
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Not saying he isn't, just saying jury is still out. Was his first year as OC and Lock had less yards, lower QB rating and nearly half his TDs from the previous season under Heupel. He improved his completion percentage and threw less TDs though so it wasn't a bad showing by Dooley.

I just don't think being a good offensive mind and inheriting a Heisman hyped NFL talent is a true showing of capabilities.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Kiffin, Dooley and Butch have beaten this fanbase down.

Pruitt will have this team believing they can win every game.

I ain't counting them out of any game.
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There was a noticeable difference at GA in year 2 under Kirby. And it wasn’t the talent. It was the mentality. I want and expect to see that this year from our team.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
There was a noticeable difference at GA in year 2 under Kirby. And it wasn’t the talent. It was the mentality. I want and expect to see that this year from our team.
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Bringing in Chaney will help settle that offense down. And I could be in the minority but I think there's a lot of talent on that side of the ball, most of which seems to not play with enough confidence.
 
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LA Vol said:
Want to know what's hurting recruiting? Talk of a long rebuild. The longer recruits think it will take, the less the elite ones want to come... and the less likely we are to keep an elite staff together.
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I pretty much agree but that's the narrative put forth by many in the media. I can't stop them so my guesses have to include their influence, as well as negative recruiting.
Give me the 2nd year hype Jones received, I'll move up my timeline.
 
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Are we all in consensus that the BYU game is a certain W? I just want to know if I can lock that one up in the W column. IMO, 4-0 OOC is necessary this year, but I am not convinced that it's greater than like 60/40 for the good guys yet...please convince me
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
True, but I'm also not certain what everyone saying it's a rebuild considers "rebuilt" either. For me UT being an 8+ win team consistently again would be good. I think 10 or so wins is where most want to be, but I feel like once you cross 8 wins on a regular basis and are competitive in the other 4 even in losses you're basically where everyone who isn't Bama/Clemson/Ohio State is at that point.
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The recruits we want are the ones that want to win championships. Division teams tend to cannibalize each other, so that means not only getting wins but getting quality SEC wins, especially against our SECE rivals. It's possible to go 8-4, even 7-5, and win the division. So it's not the number of wins as much as which teams we beat. Beating the teams we recruit head-to-head with the hardest pays extra dividends.

Top recruits define progress the same way the coaches do-- sail past the cupcakes, be competitive in every game and contend for the division title. They need to believe we're close and they can be the difference makers.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Well except Vandy & Missouri both have lost nearly 50% of their team production from last year...whereas we lost next to nothing (especially on offense).

So yeah it's very easy to say Butch didn't develop talent, but with Pruitt entering year 2 with 2 offseasons of work with the roster we are ahead of those two teams (I am not certain we're ahead of Missouri, because of how good they are at developing guys...or were, yet to be seen if Odom can do it like Gary did).
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We did lose next to nothing but of what? Average players in my opinion. Average players are returning and they may take a step forward, but still be one or two steps behind most of our competition.
 
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I got a question also..
When talking lack of development, are you guys writing off the majority of those players or do you believe most can become productive?

Talking the majority, not case by case.
 
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One thing I’ll say about Pruitt, good coaching, and “the rebuild.”

In another life, I was a Cowboys fan. Early 2000s we were a perpetual dumpster fire.

Jerry needs a new stadium built, so to garner support, he shelves his ego and hires a real coach - Parcells.

Philadelphia Eagles were our daddy for a while. Vastly superior team.

First time Eagles come to Texas stadium, they were heavy favorites. Rightfully so.

Eagles get ready for the opening kick off and Parcells alerted his team to be ready for a possible onside kick. Sure enough it comes, and a bottom of the roster WR named Randall Williams caught it on a bounce and returned it for a touchdown. Cowboys had no real business winning that game - but did.

McNabb vs Quincy Carter. Deuce Staley vs Troy Hambrick. Etc. top to bottom they were the better team.

Parcells had Dallas ready and we stole the game.

We already saw Pruitt do that for us last year. Had we not run out of gas (again, goes back to years of poor S&C), we might’ve been able to do it once or twice more.

Point is, coaching matters in football probably more than in any other professional sport. We’re in good hands with this coach and this staff.

UGA is reeling in insane talent every year but I still have doubts about what kind of coach Kirby is. I’ll take our guy over him.

The length of the rebuild is dependent upon what you consider the finished project to be. To me, it’s being in strong contention for the SECCG in late November. I say we could be there by 2021.
 
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