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volfanngatorland said:
It’s amazing what kids DON’T learn in school these days. I’m not too far removed from the HS/College years and I didn’t learn crap about things that help make you successful on a day to day basis.

Working on cars, fixing things around the house, personal finance/budgeting, home ec, etc

Had to learn them all on my own time and was lucky enough to have people in my life who knew and were willing to teach me. Some don’t have that luxury.
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Oh they have people to teach them that stuff. "Momma stays home and collects a check and bus cool stuff with that money. That's what I'm gonna do so why should I be in school?" "I'm not going to stay here long so there's no need to learn how to unclog the sink." "I'll just pay someone."
 
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volfanngatorland said:
It’s amazing what kids DON’T learn in school these days. I’m not too far removed from the HS/College years and I didn’t learn crap about things that help make you successful on a day to day basis.

Working on cars, fixing things around the house, personal finance/budgeting, home ec, etc

Had to learn them all on my own time and was lucky enough to have people in my life who knew and were willing to teach me. Some don’t have that luxury.
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Obviously every cherished and special child will become an athlete, rock star, or Facebook tycoon and will never need such "skills". That is what they have maids, financial planners, and mechanics for duh.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
It’s amazing what kids DON’T learn in school these days. I’m not too far removed from the HS/College years and I didn’t learn crap about things that help make you successful on a day to day basis.

Working on cars, fixing things around the house, personal finance/budgeting, home ec, etc

Had to learn them all on my own time and was lucky enough to have people in my life who knew and were willing to teach me. Some don’t have that luxury.
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I have kids that work for me, high school and COLLEGE attendees. They have to write down orders and it still amazing to me that the word pimento can be spelt peaminto, kids now days, don’t stand much of a chance without a good foundation, education and work ethic.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Giving you a like for good discourse.

Idk, I think education is one of the last things that should be cut, whether it's arts, foreign language, or (obviously) STEM. Within any given budget, I'd be looking at alternatives outside the school system to cut if I could.

We want a strong economy of doers and entrepreneurs, they're going to need a spark in something else if algebra, biology, and computer science doesn't do it. And while we're at it, bring back home-ec and make it mandatory for everyone.

Seeing how illequipped adults around me are in the workforce would be surreal if it weren't so damn scary. We don't gain anything from cutting education, even if the surplus is going to something "more pressing" at the time. You know, like a sports arena.
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Jmo, but so much of our education woes seem to stem from society, not a lack of good, passionate teachers. My mom taught all of her life and won awards. She thought very highly of her other teachers around her. She never thought a lack of good teachers were pulling her district down. The one thing she did worry about was how many children in Knoxville came in unable to focus because they had so many issues at home, parents that didn't care, some even came in hungry and starving.

I don't think kids in the ghettos suffer because those teachers are lazy or stupid, quite the opposite, they have to care about as much as any teacher. I think they suffer because of societal issues and priorities.

I severely question how much value American society places on education, versus those nations we judge ourselves against - Norway, Sweden, Japan, Canada, Finland, etc, and that starts with parents and society first. How many parents push their kids in sports, but not school? How many put athletes and millionaires on a pedestal, but not a good engineer or accountant? It seems our thinking of success is far too extreme and stratified.
 
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Devo182 said:
Jmo, but so much of our education woes seem to stem from society, not a lack of good, passionate teachers. My mom taught all of her life and won awards. She thought very highly of her other teachers around her. She never thought a lack of good teachers were pulling her district down. The one thing she did worry about was how many children in Knoxville came in unable to focus because they had so many issues at home, parents that didn't care, some even came in hungry and starving.

I don't think kids in the ghettos suffer because those teachers are lazy or stupid, quite the opposite, they have to care about as much as any teacher. I think they suffer because of societal issues and priorities.

I severely question how much value American society places on education, versus those nations we judge ourselves against - Norway, Sweden, Japan, Canada, Finland, etc, and that starts with parents and society first. How many parents push their kids in sports, but not school? How many put athletes and millionaires on a pedestal, but not a good engineer or accountant? It seems our thinking of success is far too extreme and stratified.
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To add onto this many of those kids are being told not to worry about school. They're being told to be an athlete and make millions that way or stay home and collect a check like mom and pops. It's a cycle that needs to be broken
 
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Daaaaang already love this Means kid. Seems to have his head in the right place. 4.4 40-time, with his focus on the mental aspect of football, and intent on getting down timings with the QBs at the practice facility...I think we have a good one here imo.

Means plans to 'outwork everybody,' help 'elite' Vols WR corps
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Some kids don't like to play school. They should be taught the basics and then trades. We don't have enough people for skilled labor positions and it's getting worse. Most kids can't change the battery in their car or a tire. It's stupid to force kids to learn things they have no interest in.
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Most cars run on gas and not batteries numbnuts.
 
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Rishvol said:
To add onto this many of those kids are being told not to worry about school. They're being told to be an athlete and make millions that way or stay home and collect a check like mom and pops. It's a cycle that needs to be broken
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Bingo! Values and expectations are so far off reality. I get "reaching for the stars", but it also can greatly devalue the worth of just being a well-paid contributor to society with a steady, productive career. Grant Williams and Josh Dobbs need to talk some sense into all those kids.

And sadly...no one to blame but those parents and society. Teachers barely have a chance with many of them, but I greatly appreciate the efforts and anyone they can reach.

I'm sure there are similar issues in Finland, Japan, etc, but I would estimate they are far outnumbered by the American parents, media, and societal pressures that pile on this mindset.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Some kids don't like to play school. They should be taught the basics and then trades. We don't have enough people for skilled labor positions and it's getting worse. Most kids can't change the battery in their car or a tire. It's stupid to force kids to learn things they have no interest in.
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I really like Japan's system - their high schools are divided between trade schools and prep schools. You are free to switch later, but kids are already preparing for something that interests them.
 
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Interesting body comp for Admiral in the league. Jae Crowder.

Obviously they do some things differently but they are nearly identical in a lot of key categories including size. I think AD could have a similar impact for a good team a few years into his career.
 
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Rishvol said:
To add onto this many of those kids are being told not to worry about school. They're being told to be an athlete and make millions that way or stay home and collect a check like mom and pops. It's a cycle that needs to be broken
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I don't know much about the welfare system, what check do they get?
Knew 2 guys in KY that everybody said received a "crazy check" assumed that was disability. And of course physical disability or food stamps.
Is "the welfare check" referring to one of those?
 
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chargervol said:
I don't know much about the welfare system, what check do they get?
Knew 2 guys in KY that everybody said received a "crazy check" assumed that was disability. And of course physical disability or food stamps.
Is "the welfare check" referring to one of those?
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I'm still trying to learn it myself. One thing I do know though is many of those kids learn to play the system in elementary school. So by the time they get to me it's near impossible to get that mindset out of them.
 
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chargervol said:
I don't know much about the welfare system, what check do they get?
Knew 2 guys in KY that everybody said received a "crazy check" assumed that was disability. And of course physical disability or food stamps.
Is "the welfare check" referring to one of those?
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I’m sure there’s some that take advantage of the system by choosing to not to contribute by being in the workforce. Same could be said of the entitled bunch (recent headlines) that use their resources to achieve their goal. No difference in my book. Then, you have the ones in the middle. I just had one of the best employees (work ethic and personality) that I’ve seen. She quit, because it paid her more to stay at home than working. Some may look down on her decision, but she really was in a no win situation, she was going to lose everything.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
I’m sure there’s some that take advantage of the system by choosing to not to contribute by being in the workforce. Same could be said of the entitled bunch (recent headlines) that use their resources to achieve their goal. No difference in my book. Then, you have the ones in the middle. I just had one of the best employees (work ethic and personality) that I’ve seen. She quit, because it paid her more to stay at home than working. Some may look down on her decision, but she really was in a no win situation, she was going to lose everything.
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I agree but what program is paying her and for what?
 
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