The Jarrett Guarantano debate thread...

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XknoxvolsX said:
Do you guys remember how bad everyone said Ainge was before Cutcliff came back? What about the QB battle that Crompton won? Do you guys remember how everyone was negative toward him but yet he performed stellar? Amazing what a competent coach can do for a kid.
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Crompton was far from stellar.
 
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My fanboy/hater prediction:
JG improves slightly in several areas and that cumulatively makes for very solid overall improvement.

Chaney does a solid job scheming to exploit Jarrett's strengths and and avoid his weaknesses. That combined with improved strength and technique from the OL, produce solid, tangible results .

Weinke focuses on defense recognition and consistency of hitting the runner in stride. Mix that with JG's undeniable arm and ball protection, we have very positive results. Even TDs and wins 👀
 
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Posting in both threads.

My fanboy/hater prediction:
JG improves slightly in several areas and that cumulatively makes for very solid overall improvement.

Chaney does a solid job scheming to exploit Jarrett's strengths and and avoid his weaknesses. That combined with improved strength and technique from the OL, produce solid, tangible results .

Weinke focuses on defense recognition and consistency of hitting the runner in stride. Mix that with JG's undeniable arm and ball protection, we have very positive results. Even TDs and wins 👀
 
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sjt18 said:
Good grief... Even I think we've had enough threads exposing your creepy cult obsession...
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Man your not joking...Jarrett, If you are reading this, K-Town king is that guy standing outside of your dorm late at night staring up at your window...He is Your version of Gil Renard from the movie The FAN...Don't talk to him and avoid him at all costs.
 
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My beef with JG has always been his ability, or lack there of, to read defenses, and get people in the right position, to exploit it. I saw very little of him moving RB's and TE's, to pick up blitzers. I saw very little of him changing plays, at the line of scrimmage. Add to that, he was indecisive, with the football. As in, he was slow to pull it down, and get 5 yards. I do like that he doesn't throw interceptions, very often. But, he gets sacked, due to bad blocking, unchecked blitzers, and indecision, way to frequently. Move the chains, son! That is how Bama keeps defenses on the field, and gives their offense more opportunities, to make big plays. Tired defenses make mistakes. Get in the filmroom, early and often.
 
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k-town_king said:


I think so. The numbers and data show how good he actually was with the bad situation around him. With improved coaching and support he will have a breakout year and lead us back to relevancy.

The "eyetest" and "feelings" guys won't like this.
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Shouldn't the title of this thread be: " Is JG ready to get knocked down 20+ times per game?"
 
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XknoxvolsX said:
Do you guys remember how bad everyone said Ainge was before Cutcliff came back? What about the QB battle that Crompton won? Do you guys remember how everyone was negative toward him but yet he performed stellar? Amazing what a competent coach can do for a kid.
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Remember when Bobby Boucher showed up for the second half of the Bourbon Bowl!

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k-town_king said:


I think so. The numbers and data show how good he actually was with the bad situation around him. With improved coaching and support he will have a breakout year and lead us back to relevancy.

The "eyetest" and "feelings" guys won't like this.
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It's been said a 100 times but if and only if the o-line can improve, I like the Vols chances to turn some heads this year. Alot of people are worried about D-line depth but as a whole I really like the defense this year especially the secondary; alontae and bryce will form a formidable duo IMO.
 
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I think some people don't want to blame JG for political reasons. It has to be. If you have eyes, then you know he struggled even when he had time to throw.

The entire offense was bad last year.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So he's 8th in all of college football, but didn't crack the top 5 in the conference?



Must be a lot of ties between 1st and 8th place.
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Man it must suck to not know what words mean.

Rate means the percentage of his throws that were " big time throws."

So more attempts equals a couple more "big time throws" but a lower RATE of "big time throws."


8th in the country in the percentage of his passes that were "big time throws."


Words are hard sometime. I feel ya.
 
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k-town_king said:
Man it must suck to not know what words mean.

Rate means the percentage of his throws that were " big time throws."

So more attempts equals a couple more "big time throws" but a lower RATE of "big time throws."


8th in the country in the percentage of his passes that were "big time throws."


Words are hard sometime. I feel ya.
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So you want to spin the the source of your original post, because their other posts don't support your wild suppositions that JG has the 8th best "big time throws" rating in all of college football? Because of course, the rating is much more important than actual production.

Classic.
 
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XknoxvolsX said:
Do you guys remember how bad everyone said Ainge was before Cutcliff came back? What about the QB battle that Crompton won? Do you guys remember how everyone was negative toward him but yet he performed stellar? Amazing what a competent coach can do for a kid.
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Ainge was better the second he set foot on campus than JG will ever think about being. He led us to the SECCG as a true freshman. If he had not had a drug problem he'd be playing right now in the NFL.
 
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k-town_king said:
Man it must suck to not know what words mean.

Rate means the percentage of his throws that were " big time throws."

So more attempts equals a couple more "big time throws" but a lower RATE of "big time throws."


8th in the country in the percentage of his passes that were "big time throws."


Words are hard sometime. I feel ya.
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I think what he was referring to is the fact that "big time throws" is both junior-high level writing, as in wildly unprofessional and not lending a whole lot of credibility to whoever came up with the stats, and laughably subjective because no criteria or definition is given as to what actually constitutes "big time throws". For all we know the person who put the stats together could consider any pass completed for a first down a "big time throw". While I understand that PFF is supposedly a credible company, the flip side of that is that journalism ain't what it used to be, and a lot of dim bulbs appear to be making livings as sportswriters these days, and whoever compiled the stats in the graphic quoted for this thread most definitely falls into that category.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Ainge was better the second he set foot on campus than JG will ever think about being. He led us to the SECCG as a true freshman. If he had not had a drug problem he'd be playing right now in the NFL.
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I hope this ages well...you must be quite the athlete yourself huh
 
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KeyVol14 said:
I hope this ages well...you must be quite the athlete yourself huh
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Ainge threw for 1452 yards and 17 TDs his freshman year despite splitting time with two other quarterbacks; he had 500 more yards and 9 more TDs than the next-most-prolific QB for us that year. He beat Georgia at Athens and they were ranked in the top ten in the country at the time. He threw for five more TDs his first year on campus than JG did his third year. And it's certainly not my isolated opinion that he could have been an NFL starter - national commentators expressed the same opinion.

As to your random ad hominem remark that has no reason for being, I'm not a great athlete compared to professionals, but I might be compared to you.
 
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Can we please ban this subject from the board? How many times will we dissect this issue like vultures tearing apart a piece of carrion for consumption? This is a non provable point one way or the other. He’s our QB so therefore I hope he’s in the running for the Heisman Award!
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Ainge threw for 1452 yards and 17 TDs his freshman year despite splitting time with two other quarterbacks; he had 500 more yards and 9 more TDs than the next-most-prolific QB for us that year. He beat Georgia at Athens and they were ranked in the top ten in the country at the time. He threw for five more TDs his first year on campus than JG did his third year. And it's certainly not my isolated opinion that he could have been an NFL starter - national commentators expressed the same opinion.

As to your random ad hominem remark that has no reason for being, I'm not a great athlete compared to professionals, but I might be compared to you.
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The situations aren't comparable at all. Ainte played under a proven roster and staff while JG has been through three different coordinators and a unproven head coach.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
I think what he was referring to is the fact that "big time throws" is both junior-high level writing, as in wildly unprofessional and not lending a whole lot of credibility to whoever came up with the stats, and laughably subjective because no criteria or definition is given as to what actually constitutes "big time throws". For all we know the person who put the stats together could consider any pass completed for a first down a "big time throw". While I understand that PFF is supposedly a credible company, the flip side of that is that journalism ain't what it used to be, and a lot of dim bulbs appear to be making livings as sportswriters these days, and whoever compiled the stats in the graphic quoted for this thread most definitely falls into that category.
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I actually assumed that his listing of the "rating" was in reference to the listed stat, given that's what the original tweet was concerning.

However, I'm not suprised that he was actually championing the rating of "big time throws" as a banner occurance of the equivilant of a baseball stat. Because when it comes to JG, the rating always trumps the raw production; always.
 
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Man this topic...

To answer the question posed... He's going to have as good an opportunity, to be as good as he can be, since he's been at Tennessee.

If he can't show some serious signs of improvement... Not sure it happens for him.

And yes that applies to most of the rest of the offense as well. It's not ALL on HIS shoulders... But a large % certainly is.

All there is right now is opportunity.
 
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