Does anyone know if Kyle Alexander will play at the next level?

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At least he's getting some workouts. Like I said earlier, I don't know if he'll get drafted, but he's certainly going to get on a summer league team and probably on a G league team.
 
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He would be better off going overseas. I don't ever see him making an NBA roster and the G League doesn't pay anything. He isn't great at anything. Not an NBA athlete. I just don't see any reason other than his height that would have NBA teams interested. His best shot at an NBA career is to be an elite defender/rim protector and be able to knock down 3's at a 38% clip. I can see him possibly hitting the 3, but I don't ever see him being NBA level at anything else to warrant an NBA career.
 
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Vols8086 said:
He would be better off going overseas. I don't ever see him making an NBA roster and the G League doesn't pay anything. He isn't great at anything. Not an NBA athlete. I just don't see any reason other than his height that would have NBA teams interested. His best shot at an NBA career is to be an elite defender/rim protector and be able to knock down 3's at a 38% clip. I can see him possibly hitting the 3, but I don't ever see him being NBA level at anything else to warrant an NBA career.
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He's had 4 years to become that sort of player. If he didn't play that way at the SEC level, I have my doubts about him doing it against NBA talent. Overseas, perhaps, but to be brutally honest, I hope he got a useful degree while he was in Knoxville.
 
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CAVPUT said:
He's had 4 years to become that sort of player. If he didn't play that way at the SEC level, I have my doubts about him doing it against NBA talent. Overseas, perhaps, but to be brutally honest, I hope he got a useful degree while he was in Knoxville.
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I agree mostly with your position, but keep in mind that he was pretty much learning how to play basketball at Tennessee. He had played two years of HS ball before coming in and playing a major minutes as a freshman at Tennessee. The light was always going to go off late for him because he started late. If it ever does though, and he can take being a pro serious enough to commit himself to the weight room, he can play pro ball. It might not come in the NBA, but he cam make a living overseas.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree mostly with your position, but keep in mind that he was pretty much learning how to play basketball at Tennessee. He had played two years of HS ball before coming in and playing a major minutes as a freshman at Tennessee. The light was always going to go off late for him because he started late. If it ever does though, and he can take being a pro serious enough to commit himself to the weight room, he can play pro ball. It might not come in the NBA, but he cam make a living overseas.
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This exactly. He had played basketball for like all of 2 years at UT before he came here. He absolutely needed a redshirt year, but the Vols didn't have that luxury when he got here.
 
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I think Kyle will get a contract with someone he has the height and length and can shoot the ball. He needs to get a lot more aggressive in his play but definitely expect some team overseas will want him.
 
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Not an NBA athlete? Literally I can't even believe I see some of these terrible takes on here. Probably the same people that said Bone isn't a good athlete. I've said it before, his game is way more suited for the NBA game than in our system. He's a rim running big, that'll be used extensively in the pick and roll. Obviously lob target since he's 6-11 with a about 7-3 wingspan and a good vertical for his size. He needs to get a lot stronger, but I believe he can. He's going to be a good rim protector on the other end as well.
Just look at Clint capela and Rudy Gobert. Not saying he can be as good as them, but they have little to no basketball skills but are still super effective in today's game. I think he will certainly be on par with a guy like Deyonta Davis formerly of the Grizzlies. He's a fringe NBA player/G League player, but he'll have a shot.
 
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rdk4121 said:
Not an NBA athlete? Literally I can't even believe I see some of these terrible takes on here. Probably the same people that said Bone isn't a good athlete. I've said it before, his game is way more suited for the NBA game than in our system. He's a rim running big, that'll be used extensively in the pick and roll. Obviously lob target since he's 6-11 with a about 7-3 wingspan and a good vertical for his size. He needs to get a lot stronger, but I believe he can. He's going to be a good rim protector on the other end as well.
Just look at Clint capela and Rudy Gobert. Not saying he can be as good as them, but they have little to no basketball skills but are still super effective in today's game. I think he will certainly be on par with a guy like Deyonta Davis formerly of the Grizzlies. He's a fringe NBA player/G League player, but he'll have a shot.
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Rudy Gobert is arguably the best defensive post player in the NBA and is 7'1" with a 7'9" wingspan. Capela is way more athletic than Alexander, not to mention being 40 lbs heavier. Take into account he was drafted at 19 years of age at pick 25 after playing pro ball in Europe with numbers better than Alexander's senior year. To even bring those 2 guys up in the Kyle Alexander discussion is laughable at best.

If you want to talk Deyonta Davis, lets first mention that Kyle Alexander is older than Davis by about 3 months. Davis was drafted 3 years ago with an athletic frame and 30 lbs heavier at age 19 than Alexander is now. Davis may not have done much in the pros so far, but as a freshman at MSU he had as many blocks in 5 less minutes per game as Alexander did this past season. Not to mention Davis was a McDonald's AA and was just a more fluid athlete than Kyle.

Kyle Alexander was a nice college player who got better every year, but that doesn't mean that translates to the NBA game. He doesn't have the ceiling NBA teams look at when trying to develop, especially when you consider his lack of athleticism compared to other bigs with limited offensive skills. Its why I stated earlier he needs to be able to shoot the 3 at a good clip. I think he can develop (doesn't mean he will) a 3 ball over a few years, but he isn't suddenly going to become a dynamic athlete. I honestly think they NBA is the most athletic professional league in the world, so if you aren't off the charts you have to be super skilled. Kyle Alexander is neither.

The NBA drafts on upside more than current ability. It's why a guy like Nassir Little at UNC will go ahead of Grant Williams this year in the draft despite Little not being close to Grant Williams as a basketball player right now. In fact, Little was downright bad at times this year but will still be a lottery pick.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Rudy Gobert is arguably the best defensive post player in the NBA and is 7'1" with a 7'9" wingspan. Capela is way more athletic than Alexander, not to mention being 40 lbs heavier. Take into account he was drafted at 19 years of age at pick 25 after playing pro ball in Europe with numbers better than Alexander's senior year. To even bring those 2 guys up in the Kyle Alexander discussion is laughable at best.

If you want to talk Deyonta Davis, lets first mention that Kyle Alexander is older than Davis by about 3 months. Davis was drafted 3 years ago with an athletic frame and 30 lbs heavier at age 19 than Alexander is now. Davis may not have done much in the pros so far, but as a freshman at MSU he had as many blocks in 5 less minutes per game as Alexander did this past season. Not to mention Davis was a McDonald's AA and was just a more fluid athlete than Kyle.

Kyle Alexander was a nice college player who got better every year, but that doesn't mean that translates to the NBA game. He doesn't have the ceiling NBA teams look at when trying to develop, especially when you consider his lack of athleticism compared to other bigs with limited offensive skills. Its why I stated earlier he needs to be able to shoot the 3 at a good clip. I think he can develop (doesn't mean he will) a 3 ball over a few years, but he isn't suddenly going to become a dynamic athlete. I honestly think they NBA is the most athletic professional league in the world, so if you aren't off the charts you have to be super skilled. Kyle Alexander is neither.

The NBA drafts on upside more than current ability. It's why a guy like Nassir Little at UNC will go ahead of Grant Williams this year in the draft despite Little not being close to Grant Williams as a basketball player right now. In fact, Little was downright bad at times this year but will still be a lottery pick.
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You didn't read my post. I get it, reading is hard, but try to keep up. I didn't say he'd be as good as them. Gobert and capela have little to no basketball skill. Can't shoot, can't dribble, can't even post up. They only score on lobs,put backs, and in the pick and roll. Something that Kyle would be perfect at. Capela isn't that much more athletic than Kyle. We just never put his athleticism on display. Kyle at least looks like he has a workable jumper unlike those two.

Davis is a perfect comp to Kyle, but Kyle has way better basketball IQ than Davis. Davis more or less has none. Kyle does need to get stronger, but I firmly believe he can. He'll have to. You keep saying Kyle isn't a good athlete, which again is laughable at best. He's incredibly fast for his size, and has great hops and long arms. He's able to switch on guards driving to the lane and block shots. He's able to grab offensive rebounds at a high clip because of his length and athleticism. He might not be off the charts, but saying that you need to be is just wrong as well. He is not less athletic than Tristan Thompson or Davis, but certainly isn't as strong.

You are right about his age. He is still older than Davis, which is why I don't think he'll get drafted. He'll get a shot at a summer league team, and most likely get a G league contract. This isn't that hard to see.
 
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rdk4121 said:
You didn't read my post. I get it, reading is hard, but try to keep up. I didn't say he'd be as good as them. Gobert and capela have little to no basketball skill. Can't shoot, can't dribble, can't even post up. They only score on lobs,put backs, and in the pick and roll. Something that Kyle would be perfect at. Capela isn't that much more athletic than Kyle. We just never put his athleticism on display. Kyle at least looks like he has a workable jumper unlike those two.

Davis is a perfect comp to Kyle, but Kyle has way better basketball IQ than Davis. Davis more or less has none. Kyle does need to get stronger, but I firmly believe he can. He'll have to. You keep saying Kyle isn't a good athlete, which again is laughable at best. He's incredibly fast for his size, and has great hops and long arms. He's able to switch on guards driving to the lane and block shots. He's able to grab offensive rebounds at a high clip because of his length and athleticism. He might not be off the charts, but saying that you need to be is just wrong as well. He is not less athletic than Tristan Thompson or Davis, but certainly isn't as strong.

You are right about his age. He is still older than Davis, which is why I don't think he'll get drafted. He'll get a shot at a summer league team, and most likely get a G league contract. This isn't that hard to see.
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I read your post, but mentioning the best defensive center in the game and then a highly athletic big makes about as much sense as mentioning Grant Williams with Lebron. Hey they are both great passers right? Or Grant Williams and Kobe since they both have high IQs. Gobert is a little better skill wise than you give him credit for, but acting like Capela and Kyle are in the same category athletically is false. In fact the entire scouting report on Capela was the following: "incredible physical gifts", "few prospects have measureables that compare", "as good as any athlete ever coming from Europe", "what separates him is his explosiveness around the rim", etc. Those literally came from the first 4 scouting reports I looked at. You've got to take off the orange tinted glasses if you think that sounds like Kyle Alexander. Kyle Alexander is a decent athlete in the SEC. A decent athlete in the SEC is a below average athlete by NBA standards.

He had 6 games this season (3 against UK, LSU, Gonzaga, Kansas) against NBA level big men. How did he do? He averaged 4.2 pts, 5.2 rebs, 1 block per game as a senior in those 6. What an athletic phenom. If you're an elite athlete like you're trying to act like he is, that stuff shows. You don't have to run plays for guys like that. Elite athleticism shows up all the time in a basketball game. Kyle Alexander is not a guy you sit back and watch in awe like that. He looks great in that clip you pulled against Eastern KY though. Wonder how many NBA scouts have been keeping up with EKU this year. He got a lob with nobody challenging him at all. I've coached multiple high school kids that could do that. You think he will be all alone like that on BLOBs in the NBA? C'mon man.

Comparing Alexander to Davis though is flawed in the sense that Davis looks like he is just another guy on an NBA bench at best right now. If that is your comp, then you're essentially saying Kyle Alexander isn't an NBA player. Which I think everyone agrees with. If you want to move the goal posts and say he has made it by going the G-League route (where they make less money than a middle school teacher) or that he suited up in the summer league where 80% of those rosters are guys that you have never heard of isn't anything to toot your own horn about. My first post on the subject stated he should go overseas instead of the G League as he will make more money that way. If the only thing you're trying to argue about is his level of athleticism compared to that of the NBA then we will have to agree to disagree there. A 45 second highlight video doesn't erase the 4 years I've watched him play at UT.
 
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Vols8086 said:
I read your post, but mentioning the best defensive center in the game and then a highly athletic big makes about as much sense as mentioning Grant Williams with Lebron. Hey they are both great passers right? Or Grant Williams and Kobe since they both have high IQs. Gobert is a little better skill wise than you give him credit for, but acting like Capela and Kyle are in the same category athletically is false. In fact the entire scouting report on Capela was the following: "incredible physical gifts", "few prospects have measureables that compare", "as good as any athlete ever coming from Europe", "what separates him is his explosiveness around the rim", etc. Those literally came from the first 4 scouting reports I looked at. You've got to take off the orange tinted glasses if you think that sounds like Kyle Alexander. Kyle Alexander is a decent athlete in the SEC. A decent athlete in the SEC is a below average athlete by NBA standards.

He had 6 games this season (3 against UK, LSU, Gonzaga, Kansas) against NBA level big men. How did he do? He averaged 4.2 pts, 5.2 rebs, 1 block per game as a senior in those 6. What an athletic phenom. If you're an elite athlete like you're trying to act like he is, that stuff shows. You don't have to run plays for guys like that. Elite athleticism shows up all the time in a basketball game. Kyle Alexander is not a guy you sit back and watch in awe like that. He looks great in that clip you pulled against Eastern KY though. Wonder how many NBA scouts have been keeping up with EKU this year. He got a lob with nobody challenging him at all. I've coached multiple high school kids that could do that. You think he will be all alone like that on BLOBs in the NBA? C'mon man.

Comparing Alexander to Davis though is flawed in the sense that Davis looks like he is just another guy on an NBA bench at best right now. If that is your comp, then you're essentially saying Kyle Alexander isn't an NBA player. Which I think everyone agrees with. If you want to move the goal posts and say he has made it by going the G-League route (where they make less money than a middle school teacher) or that he suited up in the summer league where 80% of those rosters are guys that you have never heard of isn't anything to toot your own horn about. My first post on the subject stated he should go overseas instead of the G League as he will make more money that way. If the only thing you're trying to argue about is his level of athleticism compared to that of the NBA then we will have to agree to disagree there. A 45 second highlight video doesn't erase the 4 years I've watched him play at UT.
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I'm sure you've watched him play, but you clearly also have no clue about basketball. You joined the board to bash Kyle and seemingly for no other reason. If you think that catching a lob 2 feet above the rim and almost outside of the restricted circle is just some easy feat, than I know that there is no use arguing with you. Capela is a great athlete, no doubt. Better than Kyle, but that doesn't mean Kyle can't mirror his game. What does averaging 4.2 and 5.2 rebounds against other NBA athletes have to do with athleticism? Like Yves is an otherworldly athlete to everyone except you I'm sure, but just cause he's athletic doesn't mean he scores a lot. Incredible argument. He had 10 points and 7 rebounds vs Kansas and Azubuike, who is by far the best athlete and strongest person he played all year. Without a doubt. He's not a great scorer, but he'd be way better in an NBA offense than what we ran. He's an NBA athlete, doesn't mean he will make it in the NBA. Plenty of NBA athletes don't make it in the NBA. DJ Stephens had the best vertical in NBA history and didn't make it in the NBA. I think I've already said he's a fringe NBA player several times. Right now he's way too weak to make it, so he has to bulk up to have a shot.

Again, I can't believe I need to say this again, but you are what you are. Kyle isn't as good as Gobert or Capela, never said he was. His game is similar in the fact that he can block shots, rebound, and score off of lobs, putbacks, and dump offs. He also has a very good looking jumper that has room for improvement. He's a fringe NBA player that will have at least a shot on a team. I can't imagine how you think that is orange tinted. That is the most realistic take you can have of him, because that is exactly what he is. He needs to be stronger and more aggressive to make it in the NBA. I think he'll get a training camp invite to a team, certainly be on a summer league team, and probably get on a G League team.
 
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rdk4121 said:
I'm sure you've watched him play, but you clearly also have no clue about basketball. You joined the board to bash Kyle and seemingly for no other reason. If you think that catching a lob 2 feet above the rim and almost outside of the restricted circle is just some easy feat, than I know that there is no use arguing with you. Capela is a great athlete, no doubt. Better than Kyle, but that doesn't mean Kyle can't mirror his game. What does averaging 4.2 and 5.2 rebounds against other NBA athletes have to do with athleticism? Like Yves is an otherworldly athlete to everyone except you I'm sure, but just cause he's athletic doesn't mean he scores a lot. Incredible argument. He had 10 points and 7 rebounds vs Kansas and Azubuike, who is by far the best athlete and strongest person he played all year. Without a doubt. He's not a great scorer, but he'd be way better in an NBA offense than what we ran. He's an NBA athlete, doesn't mean he will make it in the NBA. Plenty of NBA athletes don't make it in the NBA. DJ Stephens had the best vertical in NBA history and didn't make it in the NBA. I think I've already said he's a fringe NBA player several times. Right now he's way too weak to make it, so he has to bulk up to have a shot.

Again, I can't believe I need to say this again, but you are what you are. Kyle isn't as good as Gobert or Capela, never said he was. His game is similar in the fact that he can block shots, rebound, and score off of lobs, putbacks, and dump offs. He also has a very good looking jumper that has room for improvement. He's a fringe NBA player that will have at least a shot on a team. I can't imagine how you think that is orange tinted. That is the most realistic take you can have of him, because that is exactly what he is. He needs to be stronger and more aggressive to make it in the NBA. I think he'll get a training camp invite to a team, certainly be on a summer league team, and probably get on a G League team.
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I've given Kyle a lot of credit for improving every year and I've stated I think he can develop an NBA quality 3 ball for his size. I disagree that he is a high level athlete when it comes to comparing him to other NBA talent. If that is bashing the guy, my goodness you're soft and probably think everyone deserves a ribbon and that we shouldn't keep score because the loser might get their feelings hurt.

He also isn't a fringe NBA player. Admiral is a fringe NBA player. Kyle is a fringe 2nd round NBA draft pick. How many of those guys actually make the NBA? I'll give you a hint, not very many. You do know that 2nd round picks aren't guaranteed contracts and that the bulk go overseas/G League immediately right? Most 2nd rounders don't ever contribute in the NBA. The fact that he is even in the NBA conversation is a credit to him and his development. Again, a compliment. The maximum amount of guys on an active roster in the NBA is 15. Multiply by 30 teams and that is 450 players. Do you think Kyle is one of the best 450 players in the world? I don't and that isn't a knock on the guy. The talent level in the NBA is absolutely insane. You can be good at something but not good enough to advance to the next level. That's life.

Yves Pons is a great athlete. Superb athlete in fact. But he is an awful basketball player right now and has zero feel for the game. Surely you aren't saying that Alexander is close to a Pons-level athlete. Pons may be the best overall athlete in terms of physical ability in the last decade at UT. You're right though, that doesn't make you a great player.

I understand what you are trying to say about his game, but your comparisons aren't very good. If you're going to bring up players at least get guys in the ball park or similar players. Those guys have physical gifts that Kyle just doesn't have and can't aquire. I doubt he is going to grow to the size of Gobert and I seriously doubt he is suddenly going to morph into the type of athlete that Capela is. Those guys showed more athleticism and coordination at 19 and 20 than Kyle has at 22. That is why they are successful at the NBA level. I just don't see that changing for him. My point is he had modest success at those things in college so what makes you think he will have similar or better success when he has to deal with better athletes? His averages took a dip when he played against NBA level post players in every category this season. What happens when those are real NBA players? Where is his growth? Can he add weight and keep his movement and agility?
 
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Vols8086 said:
He would be better off going overseas. I don't ever see him making an NBA roster and the G League doesn't pay anything. He isn't great at anything. Not an NBA athlete. I just don't see any reason other than his height that would have NBA teams interested. His best shot at an NBA career is to be an elite defender/rim protector and be able to knock down 3's at a 38% clip. I can see him possibly hitting the 3, but I don't ever see him being NBA level at anything else to warrant an NBA career.
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G-League pays more than most jobs coming out of college, and getting picked up on a 10 day equates to winning the lottery. You’re on a 10 day and catch a little fire and you have a Jeremy Lin situation and are set for life. Opportunities. It’s why these type leagues always have a glut of athletes.
 
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butchna said:
G-League pays more than most jobs coming out of college, and getting picked up on a 10 day equates to winning the lottery. You’re on a 10 day and catch a little fire and you have a Jeremy Lin situation and are set for life. Opportunities. It’s why these type leagues always have a glut of athletes.
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Just to tack on, if you get a two way deal, you get 125,000 I believe, which is pretty good in the grand scheme of things. Plus even the base salary of the G league will keep rising as they grow in popularity.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree mostly with your position, but keep in mind that he was pretty much learning how to play basketball at Tennessee. He had played two years of HS ball before coming in and playing a major minutes as a freshman at Tennessee. The light was always going to go off late for him because he started late. If it ever does though, and he can take being a pro serious enough to commit himself to the weight room, he can play pro ball. It might not come in the NBA, but he cam make a living overseas.
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He is a great kid and has a great attitude. He has some great attributes that will serve him well. As you mentioned, he was behind the 8-ball coming in because he had very little experience, so I think his NBA potential was relatively low. As you said, he will need more physical presence to be a factor, and that will be overseas, should he so choose. My biggest question with Kyle is why he didn't add significant girth and bulk? Not to the point that would hinder his speed and athleticism, but to the point of making him an NBA factor.
 
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cardvolfan said:
He is a great kid and has a great attitude. He has some great attributes that will serve him well. As you mentioned, he was behind the 8-ball coming in because he had very little experience, so I think his NBA potential was relatively low. As you said, he will need more physical presence to be a factor, and that will be overseas, should he so choose. My biggest question with Kyle is why he didn't add significant girth and bulk? Not to the point that would hinder his speed and athleticism, but to the point of making him an NBA factor.
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He added about 30 lbs over 3-4 years. Came in around 190, I believe. Just wasn’t able to add more. He really needed about 15-20 more pounds to really be more of a banger as opposed to an athletic opportunist who lived on tip ins and quick putbacks. Rarely did he ever get the ball in the post and power his way to the basket with his back to it. There is a place for that type player in the NBA, but they need to be a threat to shoot from outside or to put the ball on the ground. KA needs to improve in both areas.
 
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cncchris33 said:
He added about 30 lbs over 3-4 years. Came in around 190, I believe. Just wasn’t able to add more. He really needed about 15-20 more pounds to really be more of a banger as opposed to an athletic opportunist who lived on tip ins and quick putbacks. Rarely did he ever get the ball in the post and power his way to the basket with his back to it. There is a place for that type player in the NBA, but they need to be a threat to shoot from outside or to put the ball on the ground. KA needs to improve in both areas.
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I agree, which his skill set, to this point, doesnt allow. I don't see him being able to master that, although I hope he improves. He got manhandled too often, and at times by guys that were less experienced class wise. I think I enjoyed basketball more when it was about finesse and less about brute strength.
 
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Vols8086 said:
I've given Kyle a lot of credit for improving every year and I've stated I think he can develop an NBA quality 3 ball for his size. I disagree that he is a high level athlete when it comes to comparing him to other NBA talent. If that is bashing the guy, my goodness you're soft and probably think everyone deserves a ribbon and that we shouldn't keep score because the loser might get their feelings hurt.

He also isn't a fringe NBA player. Admiral is a fringe NBA player. Kyle is a fringe 2nd round NBA draft pick. How many of those guys actually make the NBA? I'll give you a hint, not very many. You do know that 2nd round picks aren't guaranteed contracts and that the bulk go overseas/G League immediately right? Most 2nd rounders don't ever contribute in the NBA. The fact that he is even in the NBA conversation is a credit to him and his development. Again, a compliment. The maximum amount of guys on an active roster in the NBA is 15. Multiply by 30 teams and that is 450 players. Do you think Kyle is one of the best 450 players in the world? I don't and that isn't a knock on the guy. The talent level in the NBA is absolutely insane. You can be good at something but not good enough to advance to the next level. That's life.

Yves Pons is a great athlete. Superb athlete in fact. But he is an awful basketball player right now and has zero feel for the game. Surely you aren't saying that Alexander is close to a Pons-level athlete. Pons may be the best overall athlete in terms of physical ability in the last decade at UT. You're right though, that doesn't make you a great player.

I understand what you are trying to say about his game, but your comparisons aren't very good. If you're going to bring up players at least get guys in the ball park or similar players. Those guys have physical gifts that Kyle just doesn't have and can't aquire. I doubt he is going to grow to the size of Gobert and I seriously doubt he is suddenly going to morph into the type of athlete that Capela is. Those guys showed more athleticism and coordination at 19 and 20 than Kyle has at 22. That is why they are successful at the NBA level. I just don't see that changing for him. My point is he had modest success at those things in college so what makes you think he will have similar or better success when he has to deal with better athletes? His averages took a dip when he played against NBA level post players in every category this season. What happens when those are real NBA players? Where is his growth? Can he add weight and keep his movement and agility?
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I never said high level NBA athlete. Just that he is athletic enough to be in the NBA. Admiral isn't a fringe NBA player. Most everyone thinks he'll be a rotational player, he's even been discussed as a first rounder. That's not fringe. Fringe is bouncing in and out of the league/ end of bench/ two way contract kind of people. That's what Kyle is.

More than 2/3rds of 2nd round picks play in the NBA. Most don't stick. They also can be on guaranteed contracts. Of those 1/3rd that don't pick, how many are just draft and stash guys? A lot, some of them are just bad picks. In the same vein though, how many undrafted players play some in the NBA? Probably the difference of players that didn't play a game.

No Kyle isn't a pons level athlete, because that list only includes people like Zion Williamson, Brandon Clarke. But he's also 6-11, so he doesn't really have to be. He's a good athlete for his size. I'd say he's more athletic than Naz Reid, but Reid is clearly much bigger.

I can't believe you are not smart enough to get this still, I didn't compare Kyle to Gobert or capela other than their skillset. Their skillset is very similar. They are either more athletic and or bigger/ longer than Kyle. That much is clear. But none of them are super skilled, though at least Kyle can take a shot outside the paint. Davis is a decent comp as I said. Ivan Rabb isn't as athletic, but is more skilled than Kyle. He also struggles with his strength. That's pretty much what Kyle is right now. End of bench player that'll play if injuries occur, but if he doesn't get stronger he will never be a regular rotation guy.
 
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rdk4121 said:
I never said high level NBA athlete. Just that he is athletic enough to be in the NBA. Admiral isn't a fringe NBA player. Most everyone thinks he'll be a rotational player, he's even been discussed as a first rounder. That's not fringe. Fringe is bouncing in and out of the league/ end of bench/ two way contract kind of people. That's what Kyle is.

More than 2/3rds of 2nd round picks play in the NBA. Most don't stick. They also can be on guaranteed contracts. Of those 1/3rd that don't pick, how many are just draft and stash guys? A lot, some of them are just bad picks. In the same vein though, how many undrafted players play some in the NBA? Probably the difference of players that didn't play a game.

No Kyle isn't a pons level athlete, because that list only includes people like Zion Williamson, Brandon Clarke. But he's also 6-11, so he doesn't really have to be. He's a good athlete for his size. I'd say he's more athletic than Naz Reid, but Reid is clearly much bigger.

I can't believe you are not smart enough to get this still, I didn't compare Kyle to Gobert or capela other than their skillset. Their skillset is very similar. They are either more athletic and or bigger/ longer than Kyle. That much is clear. But none of them are super skilled, though at least Kyle can take a shot outside the paint. Davis is a decent comp as I said. Ivan Rabb isn't as athletic, but is more skilled than Kyle. He also struggles with his strength. That's pretty much what Kyle is right now. End of bench player that'll play if injuries occur, but if he doesn't get stronger he will never be a regular rotation guy.
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Their skillset in the NBA works because they are more athletic and/or bigger/longer than Kyle. That is why those guys can do those things at the NBA level. Kyle isn't going to get taller or become some sort of explosive athlete at this stage of his life. So comparing their skillsets is irrelevant when Kyle won't be able to achieve the physical gifts those players have that make them successful NBA players in that role. What he can develop is a 3 point shot, which is what I said from the very beginning he is going to have to do if he wants to stick in the NBA. Really not sure why you're having a tough time with this concept other than you struggle when someone disagrees with you.
 
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