Abortions and the bible.

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Septic said:
Where have I justified murder? The conniption you seem to be having is on your inability to process that not everyone perceives "personhood" like you.
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I am the one who's trying to justify murder because I am bored.
 
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mrmax86 said:
By declaring abortion acceptable.

Your declaration of personhood at some arbitrary point in time is used to meet a very specific end.

For you it may be 28 weeks, for Ralph Northam, it may be 40 weeks plus a day or two, the common thread is the end of it.
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I haven't declared anything "acceptable", in fact, you can probably search my recent post history and find where I stated that I'm decidedly against abortion, I'm more against telling people what they can and should be doing with their bodies.

Please spare us with the re-tread slippery slope fallacy. It's dumb.
 
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Septic said:
I haven't declared anything "acceptable", in fact, you can probably search my recent post history and find where I stated that I'm decidedly against abortion, I'm more against telling people what they can and should be doing with their bodies.

Please spare us with the re-tread slippery slope fallacy. It's dumb.
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That may be so, but that is also exactly the issue with most liberals these days. They regurgitate the same tired line, that it's not my place, if someone else wants to make that "difficult decision". The end result of that decision, is murder. Arguments to the contrary are designed to skew natural laws, science, and human morality, into making it so that murder can occur.
 
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VolStrom said:
Are your fingers hurting yet? You're having to work overtime defending yourself today.
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I know now what a kindergarten teacher must feel like.

I'm not even surprised at the strawman, moving target postulations I've encountered in here. It fascinates me to see people get so twisted they feel the need to levy points to arguments that aren't being made.
 
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My actual position: I personally won't ask my girlfriend to get an abortion, and I want to actually have children. I am on a personal level against it. On societal level, this is something the federal government should not be involved in at all.

The I am bored position: We are reaching a level of debt and burden on the social programs that is absolutely insane. If we have more government expansion, we will have to choose fun ways to cut costs. One of these ways is to abort fetuses with disabilities or birth defects, so they won't run up the tab to just die eventually.
 
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mrmax86 said:
That may be so, but that is also exactly the issue with most liberals these days. They regurgitate the same tired line, that it's not my place, if someone else wants to make that "difficult decision". The end result of that decision, is murder. Arguments to the contrary are designed to skew natural laws, science, and human morality, into making it so that murder can occur.
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cool.
 
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Honestly, I have come to believe that if you were not born with a uterus....you really don't have a darn thing to say on the whole subject. And yet.....I won't shut up....
 
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Septic said:
I know now what a kindergarten teacher must feel like.

I'm not even surprised at the strawman, moving target postulations I've encountered in here. It fascinates me to see people get so twisted they feel the need to levy points to arguments that aren't being made.
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We all agree........you have not made any "points"
 
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Septic said:
I'm confused by your tactics here. Generally, once the baby is born the right stops giving a sht about the wellbeing of the child.

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Let's stay on topic.
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That’s completely false. It’s a BS argument.
Anything to take the focus off killing the unborn I guess. The fact is that the right invest more of their personal money in adoption, foster care, and pregnancy resource centers and helping single mothers. The lefts programs have exacerbated the issues.
 
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Roustabout said:
That’s completely false. It’s a BS argument.
Anything to take the focus off killing the unborn I guess. The fact is that the right invest more of their personal money in adoption, foster care, and pregnancy resource centers and helping single mothers. The lefts programs have exacerbated the issues.
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Yeah......Ole Sep is having a rough afternoon.......
 
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As for "Abortion and the Bible": The Bible would appear to lean toward the life of the mother taking precedent over the life of the unborn in the case of married folk. The Bible calls for us to "choose life". However, there are specific commands about your spouse and their place in your life. Your spouse is a higher priority than your children.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don't disagree with human development starts. I never have. I agree it is human DEVELOPMENT, not a person, but at some point will be.

When have I said my opinion is superior? I've only said its mine. You have done nothing to convince me I should reconsider. You may not like my opinion and I don't really care. At no point am I advocating killing an actual baby.




I'm not naming or explaining anything. You made that demarcation and called it "decaying", you defend it:



If it's irrelevant to the issue then why did you bring it up? I'm still developing as a person at 42 years old.

Answer this: If human development ends at adulthood then what future potential is ended by killing somebody at that point? When is that point?

You said it, you defend it. And don't say you already have, because you haven't. You said something stupid. Admit it or defend it.



All I said is that it is my opinion. A fertilized and implanted egg is not a viable person. Will destroying it keep it from becoming a person? Of course. But when you destroy it you are not destroying a person, only the potential of a person. Stopping the process and killing the person are not the same thing. And if you think it is, then great. That is irrelevant to me.

As a crude example, I view it as a car on an assembly line. At some point in that manufacturing process you will have a functioning vehicle that may not be fully complete. Being able to drive it out of the factory is the realization of its value. Before that you don't have a vehicle, you have a hunk of metal that is yet to be a vehicle.



BS. You are taking the life of a living person AND any future potential. Are you saying a person is defined ONLY by their future potential?
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There is no biological demarcation to designate a human a “person.” None.

I really can’t give any credence to your analogy. The prenatal period is inseparable to ANY human being. You cannot draw a line and arbitrarily define a person. A person cannot be a person without their prenatal period. Again, inseparable.

Again, any death of a person takes their potential. Period, end of story. I wonder how you would view an expectant mother who smokes and drinks.
 
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How about this. The bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

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We can go argue in another thread now about whether it's killing.
 
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Septic said:
lol, your post makes such ridiculous presuppositions it's not worth replying too in any serious manner.

You think abortion is murder at any age and for any reason. We get it.
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This is rich. Pot meet kettle. Your responses have been memes and nonsense.
 
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Burger said:
My actual position: I personally won't ask my girlfriend to get an abortion, and I want to actually have children. I am on a personal level against it. On societal level, this is something the federal government should not be involved in at all.

The I am bored position: We are reaching a level of debt and burden on the social programs that is absolutely insane. If we have more government expansion, we will have to choose fun ways to cut costs. One of these ways is to abort fetuses with disabilities or birth defects, so they won't run up the tab to just die eventually.
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Maybe we should start killing off poor people.
 
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mrmax86 said:
How about this. The bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill".

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We can go argue in another thread now about whether it's killing.
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This thread went off the mark almost immediately. Probably just needs to be merged with the "What does the Bible say" thread.
 
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Burger said:
My actual position: I personally won't ask my girlfriend to get an abortion, and I want to actually have children. I am on a personal level against it. On societal level, this is something the federal government should not be involved in at all.

The I am bored position: We are reaching a level of debt and burden on the social programs that is absolutely insane. If we have more government expansion, we will have to choose fun ways to cut costs. One of these ways is to abort fetuses with disabilities or birth defects, so they won't run up the tab to just die eventually.
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This is the dangerous part of what you said...this is the slippery slope down which so many people fall. It's used to justify all sorts of horrible things. For many of us, we think the government sided with allowing murder, by allowing abortion. So the government has now allowed murder of pre-born people, but outlawed it post-birth. No matter what, in half of citizens' minds, the government is "involved in it" no matter which way the law is written.
 
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Burger said:
My actual position: I personally won't ask my girlfriend to get an abortion, and I want to actually have children. I am on a personal level against it. On societal level, this is something the federal government should not be involved in at all.

The I am bored position: We are reaching a level of debt and burden on the social programs that is absolutely insane. If we have more government expansion, we will have to choose fun ways to cut costs. One of these ways is to abort fetuses with disabilities or birth defects, so they won't run up the tab to just die eventually.
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This will happen within 20 years I predict. Along with knocking off the elderly and special needs kids. Probably those who generationally live off the government teat too. Healthcare is already moving in that direction. Costs are or will be higher for anyone who does not meet their arbitrary standard of weight to height ratio or is a smoker or whatever. I am not sure we will have a "Logan's Run" society, but it won't be far away from it.
 
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