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37L1 said:
Bernie Sanders

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Amazing level of hypocrisy. Doesn't answer the question and deflects. Trump isn't the one demanding Americans pay insane amounts of taxes.

If the money grabbing socialists want everyone to pay more, they should be leading the charge paying 50-70% of their income to the govt and start proving all the amazing things that will happen.

Can't you just imagine a father sitting next to his daughter in a life teaching moment telling her to always be truthful and never tell lies.

"But daddy, you tell lies."

"Well daughter, I tell enough truth. Nobody makes me tell the truth all the time."
 
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Velo Vol said:
If I had a dollar for each conservative pundit lecture I heard during the Clinton/Obama years on the "dignity of the office" and how the president is the moral role model for the nation . . .
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So now you spread the same **** like it’s suddenly a problem because your guys not in charge.


Awesome
 
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Clinton and Obama are the perfect example.
They were polar opposites in the way they governed. But if you were a republican you hated them and a Democrat you loved them.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Amazing level of hypocrisy. Doesn't answer the question and deflects. Trump isn't the one demanding Americans pay insane amounts of taxes.

If the money grabbing socialists want everyone to pay more, they should be leading the charge paying 50-70% of their income to the govt and start proving all the amazing things that will happen."
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All you need to do is see who practices what they preach, who really lives by the tenants they espouse, and who in action demonstrates the things they say they are.....it ain't Bernie and and it isn't any dem politician. Not going to excuse any of the Rep. either as they are part of the same cog in the same wheel. All politicians need to be sent to pasture, we need statesman and elected volunteers as was intended, who do their duty to the office and constituents, not themselves or their party.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
People give the credit to Newt but Clinton governed like a fiscal conservative. Obama was a spend and spend socialist.
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He didn't govern as a fiscal conservative his first two years in office, just go look at some of his budget and program proposals. Those ushered in Newt and his rise to speaker. To Clinton's credit he decided that he liked being President more than he wanted to pass the radical parts of his agenda so he moved to the center.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Do you think the president sets a moral/behavioral tone for the nation? Or is he "just another guy"?
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At this point he’s just another guy.
This one is no worse than the last one regardless of how you want to cry about it.
There is no moral high ground any longer. And neither party seems interested in there ever being one again.
 
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Or better yet.....
Lead by holding a standard and let the opposition worry about themselves. Because right now all you have is orange man bad. You have nobody you can point to who’s any different than he is
 
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hog88 said:
He didn't govern as a fiscal conservative his first two years in office, just go look at some of his budget and program proposals. Those ushered in Newt and his rise to speaker. To Clinton's credit he decided that he liked being President more than he wanted to pass the radical parts of his agenda so he moved to the center.
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It seems that some here are too young to remember the Contract with America from Newt and Dick Armey.

https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

Clinton and the Democrats lost 54 House seats and 9 Senate seats in 1994, and Clinton changed his tune. He was a smart politician.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@Velo Vol
You start holding your own party to a standard then maybe you’ll have ground to stand on when you complain about the opposition.
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You seem to be saying standards don't apply, because there's not perfect candidate?

Imagine a job supervisor with the same approach:

"True, Bob shows up to the site a couple hours late every few days, but the last guy was 10 minutes late a few times when he had to drop his kid off at school, so really what difference does it make?"
 
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Velo Vol said:
You seem to be saying standards don't apply, because there's not perfect candidate?

Imagine a job supervisor with the same approach:

"True, Bob shows up to the site a couple hours late every few days, but the last guy was 10 minutes late a few times when he had to drop his kid off at school, so really what difference does it make?"
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No you’re trying to impart an arbitrary standard that even in our own history really doesn’t correlate with our CEO. Jimmy Carter is still an incredibly moral and ethical man. And probably the worst president of the modern era.

FDR, JFK, Eisenhower, Clinton, LBJ to a degree on dirty politics, etc...

And we are not buying your suddenly important false narrative.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No you’re trying to impart an arbitrary standard that even in our own history really doesn’t correlate with our CEO. Jimmy Carter is still an incredibly moral and ethical man. And probably the worst president of the modern era.

FDR, JFK, Eisenhower, Clinton, LBJ to a degree on dirty politics, etc...

And we are not buying your suddenly important false narrative.
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Jimmy Carter only became President because he was billed as the antithesis of Richard Nixon.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You seem to be saying standards don't apply, because there's not perfect candidate?

Imagine a job supervisor with the same approach:

"True, Bob shows up to the site a couple hours late every few days, but the last guy was 10 minutes late a few times when he had to drop his kid off at school, so really what difference does it make?"
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No
Dufuss
I hold a standard at my jobsites.
The first guy would be on notice after the first time he’s late....as would the second guy. If you’re not here you’re of no value to me.
I am never late....never.
So the standard I hold myself too is what I expect from my employees.
You’re correct though. There is no difference. Both are fired.
 
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