CBS mock draft has Grant Williams at No. 13 to the Heat, Schofield at 25

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zjcvols said:
Maybe if Barnes doesn’t stupidly bench Grant to start OT that foul doesn’t matter.
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Most coaches wait into the inside of 4 TO to put guys into the game with 4 fouls UNLESS the team is dangerously behind. You know dang well that's what most coaches do
 
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BruinVol said:
Most coaches wait into the inside of 4 TO to put guys into the game with 4 fouls UNLESS the team is dangerously behind. You know dang well that's what most coaches do
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Most coaches don’t bench their best guy in OT at any point no matter the fouls and you know that. Especially in a tournament game.
 
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zjcvols said:
Most coaches don’t bench their best guy in OT at any point no matter the fouls and you know that. Especially in a tournament game.
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Wrong.

Many times coaches try to buy that first minute wth 4 fouls. You know dang well most coaches wait until inside of 4 minutes to make that change in regulation. No difference in OT
 
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BruinVol said:
Wrong.

Many times coaches try to buy that first minute wth 4 fouls. You know dang well most coaches wait until inside of 4 minutes to make that change in regulation. No difference in OT
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Lmao you’re wrong but okay whatever you want to tell yourself.
 
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In that same game Ryan Cline had four fouls and started the OT period. And with Tyler Cook for Iowa in the previous game Bruin
 
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zjcvols said:
In that same game Ryan Cline had four fouls and started the OT period. And with Tyler Cook for Iowa in the previous game Bruin
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Oh I doubt you have thought hard enough about this but Purdue was certainly going to win the jump so that's another reason to buy that minute.
 
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BruinVol said:
Oh I doubt you have thought hard enough about this but Purdue was certainly going to win the jump so that's another reason to buy that minute.
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So why didn’t Barnes not put in Grant when Alexander picked up a foul 23 seconds in the OT?
 
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zjcvols said:
So why didn’t Barnes not put in Grant when Alexander picked up a foul 23 seconds in the OT?
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Because the game wasnt dangerously in jeopardy like I said before.
Many coaches wait until inside of 4 minutes


Listen the bottom line is the score was 3-2 without grant and 14-10 with him in OT. With those facts your post are more like a witch hunt that having any kind validity.
 
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It’s okay to admit coaches make mistakes. Nobody’s perfect. I gave you different teams that played their guy to start OT with four fouls. You’re just wrong.
 
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BruinVol said:
Because the game wasnt dangerously in jeopardy like I said before.
Many coaches wait until inside of 4 minutes


Listen the bottom line is the score was 3-2 without grant and 14-10 with him in OT. With those facts your post are more like a witch hunt that having any kind validity.
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The Vols lost an offensive possession because Grant wasn’t on the floor. Turner missed a 3. He might get a three point play on the possession and change the flow of the game. And Barnes had a chance to put him back in after a foul 23 seconds in.

I just gave you two examples of coaches that played guys to start OT with four fouls this tournament. I bet I could find plenty more. Barnes went against normal thinking and it didn’t work.
 
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zjcvols said:
It’s okay to admit coaches make mistakes. Nobody’s perfect. I gave you different teams that played their guy to start OT with four fouls. You’re just wrong.
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Lol. There are countless ways of making the call on how to handle guys in foul trouble. There are never any absolutes and it sure does make you look dumb when you blame that decision when in fact the score was better without grant than with him in OT. Also coupled with the fact his replacement immediately picked up a foul after we lost the tip in which we knew we were going to lose.
 
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zjcvols said:
The Vols lost an offensive possession because Grant wasn’t on the floor. Turner missed a 3. He might get a three point play on the possession and change the flow of the game. And Barnes had a chance to put him back in after a foul 23 seconds in.

I just gave you two examples of coaches that played guys to start OT with four fouls this tournament. I bet I could find plenty more. Barnes went against normal thinking and it didn’t work.
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Lol

Wow. So now tuner only shoots 3s when williams is on the bench. What a stretch
 
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I think it's a reasonably discussion to ask the question who starts OT if there are no foul issues????


Im a little torn and dont think it's an easy call
But curious the answers
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol. There are countless ways of making the call on how to handle guys in foul trouble. There are never any absolutes and it sure does make you look dumb when you blame that decision when in fact the score was better without grant than with him in OT. Also coupled with the fact his replacement immediately picked up a foul after we lost the tip in which we knew we were going to lose.
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I’m sure that had nothing to do with Tennessee fouling late to try and keep the game close.

Either way even after the tip, Barnes should have put Grant in when we were going back on offense and didn’t. We didn’t get a score that possession. It was a mistake.
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol

Wow. So now tuner only shoots 3s when williams is on the bench. What a stretch
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No but our best player didn’t touch the ball that possession because he wasn’t in the game. Decent chance we might get a better look.
 
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zjcvols said:
I’m sure that had nothing to do with Tennessee fouling late to try and keep the game close.

Either way even after the tip, Barnes should have put Grant in when we were going back on offense and didn’t. We didn’t get a score. It was a mistake.
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I think putting grant in after the alexander foul is where the decisions becomes debatable. Certainly could have played offesne defense there


Btw the game was a bigger margin until the fouling late happened so that argument is gone
 
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I'd hope Grant could go that high, but I just doubt think he will. He should certainly go if that's what teams are telling him. Admiral will hopefully go that high as well. I'd rather a good team draft him high so he can be a role player on a good team than a bad team draft him at the beginning of the 2nd round.
 
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As someone who watches a lot of NBA games, Grant won't be a lottery pick. He just doesn't have the ceiling that NBA teams look for that early. A guy like Nassir Little from UNC will go ahead of Grant despite Little not being able to hold Grant's jockstrap. However, Grant is a first round lock. If he doesn't go in the first round, he will be the first player in NBA draft history with his season averages in a Power 5 conference to slip out of the first. Expect him to start being looked at around pick 20. Anyone that says he isnt a first rounder doesnt know much about the NBA draft. Grant will be given a first round grade. If he comes back it will be because he wants to, not because he got bad feedback at the draft.

Now Admiral will not be a first round pick. Similar to Grant, he isnt viewed as a high ceiling guy, and isnt a dynamic athlete. He has a role and probably has as good a chance as any 2nd rounder to actually make an NBA roster this season. He has a role as a 3 and D guy and great teammate. Those guys hang around the league for a decade or so, but arent first round picks.

Bone might be a late 2nd round pick, but he is going to need to show out at the NBA combine in a big way. I expect him to be overseas next season regardless of whether he gets drafted in the 2nd or not. I doubt he makes an NBA roster next season.
 
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Missed who did the mock but the latest one today had grant in the second round.

Was discussed on 104.5
 
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Vols8086 said:
As someone who watches a lot of NBA games, Grant won't be a lottery pick. He just doesn't have the ceiling that NBA teams look for that early. A guy like Nassir Little from UNC will go ahead of Grant despite Little not being able to hold Grant's jockstrap. However, Grant is a first round lock. If he doesn't go in the first round, he will be the first player in NBA draft history with his season averages in a Power 5 conference to slip out of the first. Expect him to start being looked at around pick 20. Anyone that says he isnt a first rounder doesnt know much about the NBA draft. Grant will be given a first round grade. If he comes back it will be because he wants to, not because he got bad feedback at the draft.

Now Admiral will not be a first round pick. Similar to Grant, he isnt viewed as a high ceiling guy, and isnt a dynamic athlete. He has a role and probably has as good a chance as any 2nd rounder to actually make an NBA roster this season. He has a role as a 3 and D guy and great teammate. Those guys hang around the league for a decade or so, but arent first round picks.

Bone might be a late 2nd round pick, but he is going to need to show out at the NBA combine in a big way. I expect him to be overseas next season regardless of whether he gets drafted in the 2nd or not. I doubt he makes an NBA roster next season.
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Quality analysis.
 
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Vols8086 said:
As someone who watches a lot of NBA games, Grant won't be a lottery pick. He just doesn't have the ceiling that NBA teams look for that early. A guy like Nassir Little from UNC will go ahead of Grant despite Little not being able to hold Grant's jockstrap. However, Grant is a first round lock. If he doesn't go in the first round, he will be the first player in NBA draft history with his season averages in a Power 5 conference to slip out of the first. Expect him to start being looked at around pick 20. Anyone that says he isnt a first rounder doesnt know much about the NBA draft. Grant will be given a first round grade. If he comes back it will be because he wants to, not because he got bad feedback at the draft.
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Didn’t Bonnie Colson go undrafted? Are you expecting Luke Maye to go in the 1st round?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Didn’t Bonnie Colson go undrafted? Are you expecting Luke Maye to go in the 1st round?
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Nobody has averaged over 18 ppg, 7rbs, and 3assists while shooting over 55% in Power 5 and not gotten drafted in the first round. Are you expecting Grant Williams to be the first?

Colson and Luke Maye both fell short in at least 1 category. No I don't think Luke Maye is a first rounder.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Nobody has averaged over 18 ppg, 7rbs, and 3assists while shooting over 55% in Power 5 and not gotten drafted in the first round. Are you expecting Grant Williams to be the first?

Colson and Luke Maye both fell short in at least 1 category. No I don't think Luke Maye is a first rounder.
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I’m not sure where GW goes, I’m very curious to find out, my guess is somewhere below 20...I was simply curious as to your criteria and 2 guys that immediately came to mind that fit ppg/rpg.
 
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