Trump Pardons ex-soldier convicted of killing Iraqi Prisoner

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Fun coupon VOL said:
Did the terrorists that was killed have explosives on him when he was arrested for questioning? If I remember correctly, he did along with other incriminating items. I could be wrong.
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In the article posted with the OP, it's stated there wasn't enough evidence to support the Iraqi man being a terrorist which is why he was ordered released. That's what I'm going off of.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why would he need a pardon if he served out his punishment?

Did you have traumatic brain injury? I swear you were on a different intellectual level a few years back.
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Why do the drug offenders need a pardon? You don’t have to accept it but rules are a little different when you’re actually fighting in a war.
 
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Weezer said:
In the article posted with the OP, it's stated there wasn't enough evidence to support the Iraqi man being a terrorist which is why he was ordered released. That's what I'm going off of.
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I think he had items which would lead you to believe he was part of the individuals who carried out the bombing.

Ali mansur Mohamed was found with a cache of ammunition, an RPK light machine gun and a passport with Syrian visas leading to terrorists spots.

Complicated to say the least.
 
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C-south said:
Why do the drug offenders need a pardon? You don’t have to accept it but rules are a little different when you’re actually fighting in a war.
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This wasn't a live combat, heat of the moment event. This was pre-meditated, at least to the degree that this individual decided to go against orders and take the Iraqi to the train tracks. Whether he intended to kill him or not can never be proven one way or another likely, but at the very least it was negligent homicide.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I think he had items which would lead you to believe he was part of the individuals who carried out the bombing.

Ali mansur Mohamed was found with a cache of ammunition, an RPK light machine gun and a passport with Syrian visas leading to terrorists spots.
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How does that change the situation of superior officers saying "not enough evidence" and ordering his release? How does that change Lt. Behenna disobeying orders and going outside the chain of command to conduct his own unlawful interrogation? How does that change the fact he created a situation where a man ordered released ended up dead by his hands? He clearly committed a crime. He deserved to be punished and he should not have been pardoned.
 
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C-south said:
Why do the drug offenders need a pardon? You don’t have to accept it but rules are a little different when you’re actually fighting in a war.
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He violated the rules of war by disobeying commands from his superiors. I haven't studied up, but it's not hard to imagine there may have been some Geneva violations.
 
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evillawyer said:
It's good to walk in the shoes of others. Query: do you do that when discussing Palestinian youth living in occupied areas, black kids growing up poor and uneducated in single family households in gang-infested neighborhoods, etc?
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And there it is... poor poor "Palestinian" kids that throw Molotov cocktails into crowded buses.

Here ya go. "Palestinians" are nothing but proxy fighters that allow the rest of the jihidi middle east to golf clap when Israelis are killed instead of getting their own hands dirty. "Palestinians" are too stupid to realize that they are being used by their homies. Here's a map for you to consider the geography and ask the question as to why non of those homies will offer these "Palestinians" a little slice and foster peace in that region.

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SpaceCoastVol said:
No, but it is only applied to one side. The one fighting by 'rules'. There is a dead dirtbag that can't kill any Americans. I can live with it. Good pardon.
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The Lt.'s superiors weren't even sure the victim had killed any Americans. If they were, they never would have ordered his release. I feel like some are wanting to defend this soldier so bad they aren't using common sense. Not every Iraqi was "the enemy".
 
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evillawyer said:
Reading more about this. One thing his supporters are advocating is that he acted in self-defense because the guy allegedly threw a rock at him.

Let me run this hypothetical by you. Your daughter is arrested but the cops can't charge her with anything and decide to release her. One cop is tasked with taking her home. He says he's going to kill/rape her. Instead of taking her home, he takes her to an isolated field, removes her handcuffs, strips her down and tells her he's going to kill/rape her. She then throws a rock and the cop shoots her. He tries to burn the body and doesn't report the incident to his superiors. He then claims self-defense. Who's buying that?
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Did he catch my daughter in a war zone with a car full of explosives? Or was this particular Iraqi dirtbag on his way to the prom?
 
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Weezer said:
The Lt.'s superiors weren't even sure the victim had killed any Americans. If they were, they never would have ordered his release. I feel like some are wanting to defend this soldier so bad they aren't using common sense. Not every Iraqi was "the enemy".
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I am personally glad I have not been there because I would not be very good at making the decisions as to whether or not they are good guys. How many 'friendlies' have blown themselves up at checkpoints, guard shacks, etc etc etc? My life is more important than anybody else's in my humble opinion, except maybe for someone I was fighting beside in the heat of battle. And common sense in this argument isn't nearly as common, nor cut and dried as any of the bleeding hearts on here try to make it. I'll go with the American.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am personally glad I have not been there because I would not be very good at making the decisions as to whether or not they are good guys. How many 'friendlies' have blown themselves up at checkpoints, guard shacks, etc etc etc? My life is more important than anybody else's in my humble opinion, except maybe for someone I was fighting beside in the heat of battle. And common sense in this argument isn't nearly as common, nor cut and dried as any of the bleeding hearts on here try to make it. I'll go with the American.
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What about the Americans who gave the orders this man disobeyed?
 
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n_huffhines said:
When you put me with the left because I oppose the pardoning of a murderer, what does that say about the right? Y'all are pro-murder? Or you're soft on violent criminals?
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So now that Behenna has been pardoned... legally... should he have the right to vote and buy a gun?
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I think he had items which would lead you to believe he was part of the individuals who carried out the bombing.

Ali mansur Mohamed was found with a cache of ammunition, an RPK light machine gun and a passport with Syrian visas leading to terrorists spots.

Complicated to say the least.
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Nah, he was on the way to his school dance.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
He should have been.. and I don't know how he was charged tbh... with disobeying a lawful order. I don't gaf that he killed muhammed
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Let me ask you this, if conclusive evidence was presented that Muhammed was not a terrorist, would you care then?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Did he catch my daughter in a war zone with a car full of explosives? Or was this particular Iraqi dirtbag on his way to the prom?
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Youre implicitly rejecting a premise of the hypothetical and real scenario--namely that the superiors in both instances had insufficient evidence to hold the victim.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I think that is called a strawman. I'm not going to play that game.
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In assuming Muhammed was guilty of something, aren't you presenting your own strawman? The Lt. decided he was guilty despite what his superiors decided. He became judge, jury, and executioner for a man ordered returned to his village. We weren't there, and even if Muhammed was found with those items, something must have been presented that would make superior officers order his release.
 
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MercyPercy said:
This wasn't a live combat, heat of the moment event. This was pre-meditated, at least to the degree that this individual decided to go against orders and take the Iraqi to the train tracks. Whether he intended to kill him or not can never be proven one way or another likely, but at the very least it was negligent homicide.
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The court found it to be unpremeditated in their ruling.
But i gotta admit it looks that way from my point of view.
 
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I don’t agree with the pardon either.

But, as a certain congresswoman would say. I guess a guy did a thing.
 
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Weezer said:
How does that change the situation of superior officers saying "not enough evidence" and ordering his release? How does that change Lt. Behenna disobeying orders and going outside the chain of command to conduct his own unlawful interrogation? How does that change the fact he created a situation where a man ordered released ended up dead by his hands? He clearly committed a crime. He deserved to be punished and he should not have been pardoned.
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This is why we lose wars. We play by rules, and the other side doesn't.
 
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Weezer said:
How does that change the situation of superior officers saying "not enough evidence" and ordering his release? How does that change Lt. Behenna disobeying orders and going outside the chain of command to conduct his own unlawful interrogation? How does that change the fact he created a situation where a man ordered released ended up dead by his hands? He clearly committed a crime. He deserved to be punished and he should not have been pardoned.
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If he is an enemy combatant, he is fair game, IMO.
 
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