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We have to beat Florida.

It doesn’t matter what comes after that; we have to beat Florida.

During the battle of the bulge in WWII, the German offensive had encircled the town of Bastogne. Inside the 101st Airborne of the American army had been ordered to hold the town at all costs. Now the city was under siege. It was surrounded, cut off from all supply routes. The weather was horrid, the worst winter in Western Europe in more than a decade. Supplies were getting low inside the city. The situation was becoming desperate. The allies couldn’t resupply the city from the air due to the severe winter weather.

General Eisenhower calls a meeting of his top generals. He has his intelligence officer lay out the situation for the assembled men then he asks who among them can relieve the 101st Airborne in Bastogne. No one speaks. The British are too engaged up north to offer any help. Finally, General George Patton says he can attack with three divisions in 48 hours. There’s snickering all around the room. General Omar Bradley remarks, well George I’d give myself a little room if I were you.

Even Ike scoffs at the plan. Then realizing no one else will man up he has no choice but to green light Patton’s daring quest.

At 8:30 PM that evening, Patton instructs three division of his Third Army to disengage from the east and make all preparations to attack north. Their mission, get to the city of Bastogne, relieve the 101st Airborne. The 4th Armored division was on point. The 26th Infantry division and the 80th Infantry division would be alongside.

At 12:15 AM the 4th Armored division rolled out. In the blackness of night, in snowy weather, bitter wind, and icy roads, the three divisions moved north. They had little time. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Hour by hour, mile by mile they fought their way north. 260 kilometers, 161 miles; that would be how far they’d have to go fighting every inch of the way. The Germans were shooting at them from behind the tree lines along the road; they rolled on. German tank killers were constantly blasting them from their camouflaged positions in fields along the way. Still the 4th Armored division kept going, leading the men of the 26th and the 80th through hell and high-water on this daring mission.

All night long, mile by mile, hour by hour, the three divisions fought their way north. No stopping. No hot food. No rest. They kept going. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Night morphed to day and the three divisions faced even stiffer resistance. The Germans were relentless in their efforts to thwart the advance of these men of purpose. Still the 4th Armored division continued the slog north with the 26th and 80th right there with it. All day long they fought, every hour, for every mile, and shortly before midnight they reached the edge of Bastogne. They fought their way into the city. The 101st Airborne had been relieved.

We have to relieve the 101st Airborne.

We have to beat Florida.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
We have to beat Florida.

It doesn’t matter what comes after that; we have to beat Florida.

During the battle of the bulge in WWII, the German offensive had encircled the town of Bastogne. Inside the 101st Airborne of the American army had been ordered to hold the town at all costs. Now the city was under siege. It was surrounded, cut off from all supply routes. The weather was horrid, the worst winter in Western Europe in more than a decade. Supplies were getting low inside the city. The situation was becoming desperate. The allies couldn’t resupply the city from the air due to the severe winter weather.

General Eisenhower calls a meeting of his top generals. He has his intelligence officer lay out the situation for the assembled men then he asks who among them can relieve the 101st Airborne in Bastogne. No one speaks. The British are too engaged up north to offer any help. Finally, General George Patton says he can attack with three divisions in 48 hours. There’s snickering all around the room. General Omar Bradley remarks, well George I’d give myself a little room if I were you.

Even Ike scoffs at the plan. Then realizing no one else will man up he has no choice but to green light Patton’s daring quest.

At 8:30 PM that evening, Patton instructs three division of his Third Army to disengage from the east and make all preparations to attack north. Their mission, get to the city of Bastogne, relieve the 101st Airborne. The 4th Armored division was on point. The 26th Infantry division and the 80th Infantry division would be alongside.

At 12:15 AM the 4th Armored division rolled out. In the blackness of night, in snowy weather, bitter wind, and icy roads, the three divisions moved north. They had little time. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Hour by hour, mile by mile they fought their way north. 260 kilometers, 161 miles; that would be how far they’d have to go fighting every inch of the way. The Germans were shooting at them from behind the tree lines along the road; they rolled on. German tank killers were constantly blasting them from their camouflaged positions in fields along the way. Still the 4th Armored division kept going, leading the men of the 26th and the 80th through hell and high-water on this daring mission.

All night long, mile by mile, hour by hour, the three divisions fought their way north. No stopping. No hot food. No rest. They kept going. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Night morphed to day and the three divisions faced even stiffer resistance. The Germans were relentless in their efforts to thwart the advance of these men of purpose. Still the 4th Armored division continued the slog north with the 26th and 80th right there with it. All day long they fought, every hour, for every mile, and shortly before midnight they reached the edge of Bastogne. They fought their way into the city. The 101st Airborne had been relieved.

We have to relieve the 101st Airborne.

We have to beat Florida.
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Did we quit when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
We have to beat Florida.

It doesn’t matter what comes after that; we have to beat Florida.

During the battle of the bulge in WWII, the German offensive had encircled the town of Bastogne. Inside the 101st Airborne of the American army had been ordered to hold the town at all costs. Now the city was under siege. It was surrounded, cut off from all supply routes. The weather was horrid, the worst winter in Western Europe in more than a decade. Supplies were getting low inside the city. The situation was becoming desperate. The allies couldn’t resupply the city from the air due to the severe winter weather.

General Eisenhower calls a meeting of his top generals. He has his intelligence officer lay out the situation for the assembled men then he asks who among them can relieve the 101st Airborne in Bastogne. No one speaks. The British are too engaged up north to offer any help. Finally, General George Patton says he can attack with three divisions in 48 hours. There’s snickering all around the room. General Omar Bradley remarks, well George I’d give myself a little room if I were you.

Even Ike scoffs at the plan. Then realizing no one else will man up he has no choice but to green light Patton’s daring quest.

At 8:30 PM that evening, Patton instructs three division of his Third Army to disengage from the east and make all preparations to attack north. Their mission, get to the city of Bastogne, relieve the 101st Airborne. The 4th Armored division was on point. The 26th Infantry division and the 80th Infantry division would be alongside.

At 12:15 AM the 4th Armored division rolled out. In the blackness of night, in snowy weather, bitter wind, and icy roads, the three divisions moved north. They had little time. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Hour by hour, mile by mile they fought their way north. 260 kilometers, 161 miles; that would be how far they’d have to go fighting every inch of the way. The Germans were shooting at them from behind the tree lines along the road; they rolled on. German tank killers were constantly blasting them from their camouflaged positions in fields along the way. Still the 4th Armored division kept going, leading the men of the 26th and the 80th through hell and high-water on this daring mission.

All night long, mile by mile, hour by hour, the three divisions fought their way north. No stopping. No hot food. No rest. They kept going. They had to get to Bastogne. They had to relieve the 101st Airborne.

Night morphed to day and the three divisions faced even stiffer resistance. The Germans were relentless in their efforts to thwart the advance of these men of purpose. Still the 4th Armored division continued the slog north with the 26th and 80th right there with it. All day long they fought, every hour, for every mile, and shortly before midnight they reached the edge of Bastogne. They fought their way into the city. The 101st Airborne had been relieved.

We have to relieve the 101st Airborne.

We have to beat Florida.
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chargervol said:
The ONLY positives are
1. Takes away a *little from some of our in conference rivals. (But us also in some cases)

2. If a school like Clemson, who has the immense benefit of playing an ACC schedule, not an SEC schedule, can make the climb during the Bama reign, it shows it can be done.
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ob79 said:
Fixed.
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Lots of schools not in the SEC that aren't doing what Clemson has, just being in another conference isn't the only factor.

Full acknowledgement of in state recruitment but UGA is turning out some head turning classes of their own, while in the SEC.
We can't just say "tough conference" and concede to never being relevant again, imo.
 
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Let's all not get too wild, there are afterall only 32 5 stars in any given class (same number of picks in the NFL 1st round)

You don't build dynasties on 5 stars alone, we need Pruitt & Co. to hit on a higher percentage of the 3 & 4 stars they land. And we need the majority of our class to be 4 stars with a few 5 stars sprinkled in and then even less 3 stars (when possible).

Ideally a 25 man class will be 15+ 4 stars, 2-5 5 stars, and what's left should be 4 or high grade 3 stars.
 
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chargervol said:
Lots of schools not in the SEC that aren't doing what Clemson has, just being in another conference isn't the only factor.

Full acknowledgement of in state recruitment but UGA is turning out some head turning classes of their own, while in the SEC.
We can't just say "tough conference" and concede to never being relevant again, imo.
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I'm not taking for granted the work that Dabo and his staff are doing, and have done, at all. He's coached, developed, and won at an elite level that has been unparalleled, outside of Bama, over the last few years but, he's done it due in large part because they play in a much weaker conference, both on and off the field.

Bama has gotten every single team's best shot for the better part of a decade and they just keep winning, playing in the toughest division in all of football. They have set the standard for excellence in college football since 2008. It wasn't that long ago that "Clemsoning" was a turn of phrase...

I'm not discounting (much) what Clemson has done, they simply don't play the level of completion, week-in-week-out, that every SEC team does, specifically Bama.

As far as how this affects us, anyone who is considered a rival, whether on the field or on the recruiting trail, we'll continue to struggle. What we need are some head-to-head coaching wins and our staff to develop players to their full potential and beyond. I believe we have the staff that is more than capable of doing just that, they just need the players.

Until we reach the same level of success that Dabo began to have in year 4, we're simply building towards the future.
 
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OB79 got me curious
Comparing Clemson's goals to TN
I have Clemson playing for a NC and TN's goal as 8 wins.
To make those comparable, I used the TN regular season schedule VS a Mock Clemson playoff schedule (removed 2 cupcakes and replaced with playoff teams)
Rate each schedule on difficulty. Clemson. TN

Ga Tech........... Ga State
Texas A&M.......... BYU
Syracuse........ Chattanooga
North Carolina........ Florida
Florida State......... Georgia
Louisville............ MSU
Boston College ...... Alabama
NC State.... SouthCarolina
Wake Forest. ...UAB
South Carolina....... Kentucky
Georgia/OU....... Mizzou
Alabama........ Vanderbilt
 
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ob79 said:
I'm not taking for granted the work that Dabo and his staff are doing, and have done, at all. He's coached, developed, and won at an elite level that has been unparalleled, outside of Bama, over the last few years but, he's done it due in large part because they play in a much weaker conference, both on and off the field.

Bama has gotten every single team's best shot for the better part of a decade and they just keep winning, playing in the toughest division in all of football. They have set the standard for excellence in college football since 2008. It wasn't that long ago that "Clemsoning" was a turn of phrase...

I'm not discounting (much) what Clemson has done, they simply don't play the level of completion, week-in-week-out, that every SEC team does, specifically Bama.

As far as how this affects us, anyone who is considered a rival, whether on the field or on the recruiting trail, we'll continue to struggle. What we need are some head-to-head coaching wins and our staff to develop players to their full potential and beyond. I believe we have the staff that is more than capable of doing just that, they just need the players.

Until we reach the same level of success that Dabo began to have in year 4, we're simply building towards the future.
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Well yeah, not sure what we're disagreeing about. We need to win but if we do that against mid tier teams and below, that puts us back in the big leagues. We may have a tougher regular season to reach those wins but kids already want to be in the SEC and we have an elite recruiting staff.

We don't have to win out to reach stud recruiting level (the original point) just be 1 of the SEC big dogs. If a school like Clemson can become a complete powerhouse, surely you agree that we could reach the "1 of" level in the SEC?
 
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chargervol said:
OB79 got me curious
Comparing Clemson's goals to TN
I have Clemson playing for a NC and TN's goal as 8 wins.
To make those comparable, I used the TN regular season schedule VS a Mock Clemson playoff schedule (removed 2 cupcakes and replaced with playoff teams)
Rate each schedule on difficulty. Clemson. TN

Ga Tech........... Ga State
Texas A&M.......... BYU
Syracuse........ Chattanooga
North Carolina........ Florida
Florida State......... Georgia
Louisville............ MSU
Boston College ...... Alabama
NC State.... SouthCarolina
Wake Forest. ...UAB
South Carolina....... Kentucky
Georgia/OU....... Mizzou
Alabama........ Vanderbilt
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I looked up Clemson's full 2019 schedule and wow, might as well pencil them in as champions now - what a joke of a schedule the ACC is trash
 
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