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luthervol said:
I think protesting a war can be the height of patriotism. My problem will always be with the people that vocally support a war and then avoid fighting in it. I've always felt that if a politician supports a war, their closest relative between the ages of 18 - 25 should be required to serve in the combat zone.
Just think, what if there would only have been enough Japanese that protested attacking the US. They could have taken to the streets and shouted that it was asinine and they would not go. Maybe even some patriotic Germans could have said, Hitler is an idiot and his vision is crazy. We do not and will not support his war.
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I’m betting the people of Japan and Germany would’ve much rather taken their chances in war than protest like you said.
 
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C-south said:
I’m betting the people of Japan and Germany would’ve much rather taken their chances in war than protest like you said.
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Probably. One of the great attributes of America is the freedom to peacefully protest, and counter protest.
 
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luthervol said:
But after he graduated from college in the spring of 1968, making him eligible to be drafted and sent to Vietnam, he received a diagnosis that would change his path: bone spurs in his heels.
The diagnosis resulted in a coveted 1-Y medical deferment that fall, exempting him from military service as the United States was undertaking huge troop deployments to Southeast Asia, inducting about 300,000 men into the military that year.
The deferment was one of five Mr. Trump received during Vietnam. The others were for education.

He got a 1-y deferment after graduating college. He was never at risk of being drafted. It had nothing to do with a high number.
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So. A lot of us at that time had educational deferments. The military needs people with college educations, too. My draft board loved to send me a 1-A, and I'd prove I was in school (UT) doing fine and get a 2-S. When I quit school in my junior year and enlisted in the Army (1967), I had a stack of draft cards ... including a 1-D (as I recall) for being in the AF Reserve for Advanced AFROTC. When I was dropped from AFROTC because I couldn't fly (vision), I chucked the whole thing and joined the Army.
 
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AM64 said:
So. A lot of us at that time had educational deferments. The military needs people with college educations, too. My draft board loved to send me a 1-A, and I'd prove I was in school (UT) doing fine and get a 2-S. When I quit school in my junior year and enlisted in the Army (1967), I had a stack of draft cards ... including a 1-D (as I recall) for being in the AF Reserve for Advanced AFROTC. When I was dropped from AFROTC because I couldn't fly (vision), I chucked the whole thing and joined the Army.
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I'm just countering the point that some were trying to make that Trump was draft eligible but had a high number. He was always protected from the draft.
I missed it all (born in 1960) but I certainly would have been one avoiding the draft at all costs and holding an anti-war protest sign on campus.
 
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luthervol said:
I think protesting a war can be the height of patriotism. My problem will always be with the people that vocally support a war and then avoid fighting in it. I've always felt that if a politician supports a war, their closest relative between the ages of 18 - 25 should be required to serve in the combat zone.
Just think, what if there would only have been enough Japanese that protested attacking the US. They could have taken to the streets and shouted that it was asinine and they would not go. Maybe even some patriotic Germans could have said, Hitler is an idiot and his vision is crazy. We do not and will not support his war.
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I don't suppose you would even have had guilt for protesting if you knew that the protests kept the North Vietnamese from negotiating ... that the protests extended the war is simply lost on people like you. Liberalism is the height of selfishness ... just about you, your wants, and your feelings. You know something else. People were killed every damn day that your type extended the war.
 
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AM64 said:
So. A lot of us at that time had educational deferments. The military needs people with college educations, too. My draft board loved to send me a 1-A, and I'd prove I was in school (UT) doing fine and get a 2-S. When I quit school in my junior year and enlisted in the Army (1967), I had a stack of draft cards ... including a 1-D (as I recall) for being in the AF Reserve for Advanced AFROTC. When I was dropped from AFROTC because I couldn't fly (vision), I chucked the whole thing and joined the Army.
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AM64 said:
I don't suppose you would even have had guilt for protesting if you knew that the protests kept the North Vietnamese from negotiating ... that the protests extended the war is simply lost on people like you. Liberalism is the height of selfishness ... just about you, your wants, and your feelings. You know something else. People were killed every damn day that your type extended the war.
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That's some twisted logic. Maybe had more people protested and refused the draft we would have exited the war sooner and thousands of lives could have been saved.
So in your opinion, people should blindly support a war with which they strongly disagree, or at least keep their mouths shut?
 
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Hunter Biden, 49, splits from his brother Beau's widow Hallie, 45, after two years together - just one week after his father Joe announced his 2020 presidential run

Joe Biden's son Hunter, 49, has allegedly split from his partner of two years Hallie Biden, 45, who was the widow of his late brother Beau.

The break-up comes on the heels of Joe Biden's highly anticipated presidential campaign announcement just last week.

Hunter Biden splits from his brother Beau's widow Hallie after two years together | Daily Mail Online
 
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Pete Buttigieg publishes 10 years of tax returns revealing he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field - and he had a negative income to run for mayor in 2011

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has released 10 years of tax returns.

Buttigieg's campaign posted the returns online Tuesday, saying candidates for president 'should play by the rules, pay their fair share and be held accountable by the voters.'

Buttigieg and his husband reported earning $128,630 in taxable income in 2018. They paid $20,136 in federal taxes.

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Pete Buttigieg's tax returns reveal he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field | Daily Mail Online
 
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luthervol said:
That's some twisted logic. Maybe had more people protested and refused the draft we would have exited the war sooner and thousands of lives could have been saved.
So in your opinion, people should blindly support a war with which they strongly disagree, or at least keep their mouths shut?
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To the second part, yes. Shut your mouth and have the decency to support the guy in the field whether or not you believe in what he's fighting for. He didn't avoid the issue like you did, and he may not believe in it either, but he's doing his job.

And, yes, giving aid to the enemy through the belief that all they have to do is last until the antiwar crowd takes over and, thereby, continuing the killing while professing your antiwar sentiments is certainly twisted logic.
 
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luthervol said:
That's some twisted logic. Maybe had more people protested and refused the draft we would have exited the war sooner and thousands of lives could have been saved.
So in your opinion, people should blindly support a war with which they strongly disagree, or at least keep their mouths shut?
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Yet you put so much faith in government to fix everything. I can only assume you are a very selfish person.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Pete Buttigieg publishes 10 years of tax returns revealing he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field - and he had a negative income to run for mayor in 2011

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has released 10 years of tax returns.

Buttigieg's campaign posted the returns online Tuesday, saying candidates for president 'should play by the rules, pay their fair share and be held accountable by the voters.'

Buttigieg and his husband reported earning $128,630 in taxable income in 2018. They paid $20,136 in federal taxes.

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Pete Buttigieg's tax returns reveal he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field | Daily Mail Online
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So what you're saying is if booty gag won the presidency, he'd also be the first lady? That's pretty disgusting.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Pete Buttigieg publishes 10 years of tax returns revealing he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field - and he had a negative income to run for mayor in 2011

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has released 10 years of tax returns.

Buttigieg's campaign posted the returns online Tuesday, saying candidates for president 'should play by the rules, pay their fair share and be held accountable by the voters.'

Buttigieg and his husband reported earning $128,630 in taxable income in 2018. They paid $20,136 in federal taxes.

12927114-6978019-image-a-37_1556661419356.jpg


Pete Buttigieg's tax returns reveal he and his husband earned least in Democratic 2020 field | Daily Mail Online
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Lovely couple.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I am tempted to give him a break on this for 2 reasons. Number one is that Biden couldn't foresee that Trump could be elected, and completely wreck the economy, the stock market, the job market, and get us into a nuclear war when he made that statement back in 2015. He needs to save us from Trump.

Number two is that he couldn't foresee how lucrative that his position could become until he saw millions flow into his son's coffers, based on his influence peddling.
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I'm getting flashback of 2016..... They picked another Hillary in male form, and one that can't beat trump.
 
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AM64 said:
To the second part, yes. Shut your mouth and have the decency to support the guy in the field whether or not you believe in what he's fighting for. He didn't avoid the issue like you did, and he may not believe in it either, but he's doing his job.

And, yes, giving aid to the enemy through the belief that all they have to do is last until the antiwar crowd takes over and, thereby, continuing the killing while professing your antiwar sentiments is certainly twisted logic.
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We will never see eye to eye on this issue, but the bolded seems to be the most twisted of all....especially when you're talking about taking human life. I thought you guys disliked and distrusted the government.
 
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luthervol said:
I think protesting a war can be the height of patriotism. My problem will always be with the people that vocally support a war and then avoid fighting in it. I've always felt that if a politician supports a war, their closest relative between the ages of 18 - 25 should be required to serve in the combat zone.
Just think, what if there would only have been enough Japanese that protested attacking the US. They could have taken to the streets and shouted that it was asinine and they would not go. Maybe even some patriotic Germans could have said, Hitler is an idiot and his vision is crazy. We do not and will not support his war.
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Some did. I don't think it worked out very well for them.
 
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