Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[HankHill]

Hiestand? Wasn't he just here one year? I don't recall the O-line killing it in Dooley's first year.

He started mostly freshman laid the foundation for them then went on and had about 3 elite nfl lineman at ND

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Ranking Tennessee's position groups: Post-Spring Edition

Interesting read on this boring Tuesday

Still weak in the trenches

 

[jakez4ut]

Still weak in the trenches

You sound surprised? That's not exactly breaking news... Lol

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You sound surprised? That's not exactly breaking news... Lol

I know. Its just, dang how much longer is it going to take for us to get a good OL and DL?

 

[Catbone]

I know. Its just, dang how much longer is it going to take for us to get a good OL and DL?

2 years of top 10 classes

 

[jakez4ut]

I know. Its just, dang how much longer is it going to take for us to get a good OL and DL?

Next year. Lol

 

[Devo182]

I think that shows that they don't though. 52%, the majority, were ranked 3-star or less, or not even deemed rank-worthy.

Don't mistake gross totals for rates. There are literally tens of thousands of 3 stars, 2 stars, unranked, etc. Only ~32 5-stars and maybe another 200 or 250 4-stars a year. Fact is the higher the rating, the better chance he will be a pro player.

 

[Devo182]

Someone should show that stat then. How many 4 and 5 stars from the class got picked vs didn't get drafted? It still shows that the majority of NFL talent drafted this year was either undervalued coming out of school, advanced in their development in college or were outright ignored by the big three recruiting services.
I say this because if Pruitt takes on 3-star or less talent that he truly believes he can develop or in his evaluation exceeds their star designation, people will complain ad nauseam about stars.

Let's be real. Pruitt wasn't loading up on 3 stars at bama and fsu. If he is having to take them here, it's unlikely because they are just on top of his board. Maybe 1 of them is, but a few or bunch of them? Nah.

 

[Devo182]

I know. Its just, dang how much longer is it going to take for us to get a good OL and DL?

Well we just lost our ENTIRE dl and a long starting tackle on the OL. Recruited poorly there in 17, 18 (minus Trey). 2019 OL guys will have to grow up and we need eliiite DL 2020 recruiting. I would look toward 2021.

 

[CAVPUT]

I know. Its just, dang how much longer is it going to take for us to get a good OL and DL?

Forever and a day?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Since we have seen a little discussion about PFF's ranking/scoring of returning SEC QB's I figure some might be interested to see as a reference how PFF scored our guys on offense at the end of the 2017 season. The grades were shared by Patrick Brown of 247 sports. The red text is my edit.

Here's the 0-100 grading scale PFF uses and what the numbers means:

> 85 or higher: Considered NFL-ready
> 80-84: Very good
> 50-60: Average
> Below 50: Bad


QUARTERBACK

5. Jarrett Guarantano: 74.7 (373 plays) Above Average
21. Quinten Dormady: 47.1 (280 plays) Bad
26. Will McBride: 43.8 (100 plays) Bad

RUNNING BACK

1. John Kelly: 80.7 (483 plays) Very Good
4. Ty Chandler: 77.6 (167 plays) Above Average
8. Carlin Fils-aime: 71.3 (77 plays) Above Average
11. Tim Jordan: 67.8 (66 plays) Above Average

WIDE RECEIVER

3. Marquez Callaway: 79.8 (480 plays) Above Average
7. Brandon Johnson: 74.6 (415 plays) Above Average
12. Jeff George: 67.6 (201 plays) Above Average
14. Jordan Murphy: 51.6 (97 plays) Average
18. Tyler Byrd: 48.9 (109 plays) Bad
20. Josh Smith: 48.0 (218 plays) Bad
25. Josh Palmer: 44.1 (434 plays) Bad

TIGHT END

6. Ethan Wolf: 74.6 (643 plays) Above Average
9. Eli Wolf: 70.7 (40 plays) Above Average
15. Jakob Johnson: 50.1 (138 plays) Average
23. Austin Pope: 45.0 (137 plays) Bad

OFFENSIVE LINE

2. Trey Smith: 80.6 (740 plays) Very Good
10. Riley Locklear: 69.0 (135 plays) Above Average
13. Jashon Robertson: 54.5 (578 plays) Average
16. Brett Kendrick: 49.0 (526 plays) Bad
17. Jack Jones: 49.0 (232 plays) Bad
19. Venzell Boulware: 48.2 (90 plays) Bad
22. Coleman Thomas: 45.2 (323 plays) Bad
24. Ryan Johnson: 44.4 (269 plays) Bad
27. Drew Richmond: 41.5 (445 plays) Bad
28. Devante Brooks: 40.0 (224 plays) Bad
29. Marcus Tatum: 38.6 (185 plays) Bad

Pro Football Focus season grades for Tennessee's offense

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Good holy shitwow buying a car is the wooooorst.

It's an uncomplicated deal, I had preapproved financing, knew the car, but this dealership is bordering on absolute incompetence. I've been waiting 84 years (over the course of four different trips). I'm tired of being here. Take my money, give me the car.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

There are like 5 people that are just walking around without a destination.

I've been here an hour, was told it'd only be 20 minutes.

Kill me

 

[Rishvol]

There are like 5 people that are just walking around without a destination.

I've been here an hour, was told it'd only be 20 minutes.

Kill me

Trying to get you tired so you don't notice the add ons

 

[reVOLution33]

Now I never have to listen to Heather again in the morning. #blessed

But you still have to listen to Tyler, which I hated more.

 

[VOLuptuousBOOMS]

4* on at least one service is a pretty big net. A better measurement might be composite. Might also be nice to see how many guys with at least one 4* don't get drafted, and further consider that half of the guys drafted weren't 4*, meaning that they missed on as many as they hit on.

It really isn't as impressive as it sounds, but yeah, dudes who do this full time get it right occasionally.

So Barton just stated that 46% of everyone drafted is a 3 star by every recruiting service. Pretty poor attempt to pat your own back.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Trying to get you tired so you don't notice the add ons

I know there's a tactic at play but I'm about to lose my ****. Some finance dude has walked by a legit 8 times since I've been here and I finally gave him the wtf-wristwatch-point and he was confounded.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

I know there's a tactic at play but I'm about to lose my ****. Some finance dude has walked by a legit 8 times since I've been here and I finally gave him the wtf-wristwatch-point and he was confounded.

Bet it reminds you of that Seinfeld episode.

 

[Rishvol]

I know there's a tactic at play but I'm about to lose my ****. Some finance dude has walked by a legit 8 times since I've been here and I finally gave him the wtf-wristwatch-point and he was confounded.

Make em go down more for wasting your time

 

[jakez4ut]

Shooting at UNCC... 2 dead, 4 wounded. Awful. Suspect in custody.

 

[chargervol]

Make em go down more for wasting your time

Yep, tell them you've had all this time to reconsider and looking around would probably be the better move.
Bet they suddenly feel in a hurry.

 

[VFLBerg]

There are like 5 people that are just walking around without a destination.

I've been here an hour, was told it'd only be 20 minutes.

Kill me

Walk away. There are other cars and other dealers.

 

[gainesvol82]

Well I think both things can be true.

You’d prefer to have a team full of 5 stars. But at the same time, an individual 3 star prospect is not guaranteed to be only an average football player.

Where you get into a problem - at this level - is when you’re loading up on three stars. No matter how good your coaching and evaluation is, you can’t turn all of them into draft picks.

I think a better stat would be the ratios of players with 3 stars or less who become average or above average contributors at P5 programs or specifically the SEC.

 

[OnOne]

I know there's a tactic at play but I'm about to lose my ****. Some finance dude has walked by a legit 8 times since I've been here and I finally gave him the wtf-wristwatch-point and he was confounded.

Get up and walk...they need this end of month sale

 

[franklinpence]

That air on the cinco?