2020 Presidential Race

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Orangeburst65 said:
So character or personality is more important than policy? If you had to vote on one or the other?
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Character and policy are both important. Policy usually outweighs character, but there comes a point when the character is so detestable, it outweighs policy.
Primaries are when those things should be filtered.
 
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luthervol said:
Not even comparable. You guys need to at some point accept the fact that Trump is viewed differently (and treated differently) than the typical republican.
It's the whole horrendously despicable human thing.
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Exactly, hey we actually agree but the only reason is because he isn't an insider and fights back. But your side treated Bush, McCain and Romney very bad as well.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Exactly, hey we actually agree but the only reason is because he isn't an insider and fights back. But your side treated Bush, McCain and Romney very bad as well.
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But it's not because he's an outsider and fights back.
It seems as if every president since Bush 1 has been treated more harshly by the opposition. I wonder how that got started?
 
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AM64 said:
Are you saying the Selective Service System didn't do its job? Another corrupt inefficient big government entity, but how could that be ... big government is the liberal panacea?
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I never said government was perfect, or even corruption free. But it is necessary and less corrupt than the private sector.
Whistleblowers: Drug company offered 'bribes' doctors to boost sales - CNN
Two whistleblowers at a pharmaceutical company responsible for one of the largest drug price increases in US history said the company bribed doctors and their staffs to increase sales, according to newly unsealed documents in federal court.
The effort, the whistleblowers said in a lawsuit against the company, was part of an intentional "multi-tiered strategy" by Questcor Pharmaceuticals, now Mallinckrodt, to boost sales of H.P. Acthar Gel, cheating the government out of millions of dollars.
The price of the drug, best known for treating a rare infant seizure disorder, has increased almost 97,000%, from $40 a vial in 2000 to nearly $39,000 today.
 
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AM64 said:
That's like maybe 5 whopping percent of all the news? I'm surprised you even noticed. Are you sure you aren't confusing what you read here on VN with right wing news outlets?
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You guys gloat about the Fox ratings continuously. Check how many people watch at least 30 minutes of nightly "news", and the source.
Then, check out the ratings for talk radio.
 
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luthervol said:
I never said government was perfect, or even corruption free. But it is necessary and less corrupt than the private sector.
Whistleblowers: Drug company offered 'bribes' doctors to boost sales - CNN
Two whistleblowers at a pharmaceutical company responsible for one of the largest drug price increases in US history said the company bribed doctors and their staffs to increase sales, according to newly unsealed documents in federal court.
The effort, the whistleblowers said in a lawsuit against the company, was part of an intentional "multi-tiered strategy" by Questcor Pharmaceuticals, now Mallinckrodt, to boost sales of H.P. Acthar Gel, cheating the government out of millions of dollars.
The price of the drug, best known for treating a rare infant seizure disorder, has increased almost 97,000%, from $40 a vial in 2000 to nearly $39,000 today.
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I guess the FBI was too busy looking for Russian collusion to notice drug company collusion. And, too, the Russians don't contribute as much to election funds as drug companies. And I guess the Russians don't contribute as much in ads as do drug companies ... for the networks sponsoring "news" programs.
 
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luthervol said:
You guys gloat about the Fox ratings continuously. Check how many people watch at least 30 minutes of nightly "news", and the source.
Then, check out the ratings for talk radio.
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Not me; never touch the stuff ... not any all day every day "news" station. For the record, I read ... can't stand the sound of people trying to fill my head with propaganda of any sort. Was this really just a "you people" attack?
 
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luthervol said:
Character and policy are both important. Policy usually outweighs character, but there comes a point when the character is so detestable, it outweighs policy.
Primaries are when those things should be filtered.
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Seriously.. what character flaws does Trump have that other Presidents did not?
Liar, womanizer, adulterer..anything else?

Bill Clinton was all of these. You object to him at the time?
 
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AM64 said:
Not me; never touch the stuff ... not any all day every day "news" station. For the record, I read ... can't stand the sound of people trying to fill my head with propaganda of any sort. Was this really just a "you people" attack?
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Yes, "you people" referring to Trumpers and right-wing media consumers.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Was Fox calling for his impeachment daily?
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Not daily, but routinely, yes.

Was Fox calling him a racist and a dictator.
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Yes, every day.

Every newspaper and every network spent 8 years slurping barry
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Obama was presidential, carried himself with some dignity and maintained our sense of self-respect. Trump is a drunken whore-monger, whose love for cheap gold-plated bric-a-brac is matched only by his insatiable need to be applauded at every turn.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
Seriously.. what character flaws does Trump have that other Presidents did not?
Liar, womanizer, adulterer..anything else?

Bill Clinton was all of these. You object to him at the time?
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Guys like Clinton, Bush and Obama were generally likable and personable. Trump is really neither of those and seems to enjoy confrontation and insults. Here's basically a bad internet troll. At least some trolls are entertaining but he's just not
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not daily, but routinely, yes.




Yes, every day.




Obama was presidential, carried himself with some dignity and maintained our sense of self-respect. Trump is a drunken whore-monger, whose love for cheap gold-plated bric-a-brac is matched only by his insatiable need to be applauded at every turn.
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You know all that is a flat out lie.

barry wasn't close to presidential, he was the most divisive president we have ever seen.
 
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