Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Six wins and a bowl was the expectation last year. Not reaching a prior year's expectation doesn't mean you can kick it forward to the next year. The expectation this year should be higher than it was last year-- so a floor of seven wins, with eight wins being encouraging and six wins being less so.

Some people don't want to quantify success, but when winning games and competing for championships is the measuring stick, then that's exactly how coaches, teams and programs are judged. None of which, in any way, indicates staff changes are warranted in Year 2.
I think you're exactly right on W/L record this fall. 7 and we're on track, 8+ and things are definitely going to be much better soon. 6 or less and thats not a good sign for Pruitt's tenure at UT. And this is the easiest schedule we've had in awhile. 7 is beating the 4 OOC and 3 SEC games. Very doable.
 
Speaking of Jennings:

I could be off base on this but here goes anyway. I know almost everyone says that our WR corps is our strongest returning position group but, and I don’t want to offend anyone, I’ve not been all that impressed with our guys. I think maybe the reason we’ve emphasized high pointing the football is that is almost the only way our receivers can get separation on defenders. I mean it’s a good thing we can high point the ball and at least in that regard we really improved in 2018 vs the prior year.

Without even looking at the stats it was my sense that Jauan Jennings and Ty Chandler were our best two receivers. There are of course others who catch the ball well enough but Jennings and Chandler have some ability to get separation and they dominate our receiving corps in yards after catch. For the most part much of the time with the other guys they’re stopped as soon as they catch the ball or they go out of bounds. CFB Film room used to track this and through the first 8 games last year before they stopped, both Jennings and Chandler compared favorably with other receivers at the top of the SEC with respect to yards after catch; the other guys were at the bottom of the stack. It could be just the way the plays were drawn up last year but I miss having receivers that could run after catch like Justin Hunter (pre-injury) or Josh Malone.

There are a couple of things that are puzzling about this. First, Callaway is a dynamic open field runner so I guess I don’t understand why we don’t try more often to get the ball to him in space. I’m going to blame that on Helton and expect to see something different from Chaney. The second thing is we only involved Chandler in the passing game against 4 opponents last year, all in the heart of our schedule, (UGA, AU, UA, & USC). He scored a TD in 3 of those games (UGA, AU, & UA) and ended the season tied with Jennings for the lead on the team for receiving TDs.

In one of the spring interviews, Chandler said he was excited about the offense that Chaney is installing and it might not just be player speak. Last year at Georgia Chaney got the ball to Swift in space almost twice as often as we did with Chandler. Swift only score 3 times so if we can double up the number of times for Chandler I figure that’s at least twice as many TDs. I wonder if receivers get embarrassed when a RB is the leading scorer in the passing game sort of like when the QB is the leading rusher and your RB just ups and decides to quit in the middle of the season.

Chaney, although it could be coach speak, has lauded the experience we have returning at the receiver position so I’m hoping he and Tee will be able to figure out a way to unlock more of their potential in the receiving game than perhaps his predecessor was able to do. I think having Jennings coming out of the slot is going to be a huge boost just by itself. Finding a way to get the ball to the perimeter guys so they can keep running and getting the ball to Chandler in space more often I think could go a long ways to helping us be more productive. Last year we were ranked #111 in pass attempts per game. We were #97 in passing yards per game and #34 in yards per attempt. We were #100 in passing TDs and 7th best in the nation with the fewest interceptions thrown.

While I think last year we saw a lot of Pruitt in the offensive philosophy in regards to running the ball, I think this year we may see a lot of Chaney in the offensive philosophy in regards to passing the ball and given our efficiency with regards to production vs attempts last year I’m inclined to think that this year that’s going to be fun to watch. jmo.
i agree with a lot of this, especially about the WR's. i think we have "good" WR's, but i don't know that they're the strongest part of the team? deepest maybe....best? i'd say DB's are probably the best group on the team.

Jennings to me is a taller version of Hines Ward. so play him like that, his best attribute is his toughness and willingness to have contact. none of them are super speedy.....so finding ways to get htem in space is going to be important.

agree about Chandler and the passing game.

attempts will surely go up.
 
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I think you're exactly right on W/L record this fall. 7 and we're on track, 8+ and things are definitely going to be much better soon. 6 or less and thats not a good sign for Pruitt's tenure at UT. And this is the easiest schedule we've had in awhile. 7 is beating the 4 OOC and 3 SEC games. Very doable.

If you’re expecting 7 wins then you must be pretty high on a lot of returning “butch” guys.
 
Also great episode of GoT last night, oddly enough I've yet to have Endgame spoiled right in my face....GoT went off and I saw FB post within 2-3 minutes ruining it. People really are attention seeking a$$holes, and social media gives them a safe space platform to let it out.

To be yellow are games we should win. Get USC & Vanderbilt here, and Kentucky (who we beat badly last year) lost too much for it to be a real difficult road game imo. BYU is a bit of a wildcard game for me, that team usually plays pretty stout early in the season so I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'll feel pretty good about the season if we're going into Florida 3-0 though. Red are toss ups that could go either way.
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Would be great to pick up another SEC W between MSST, Mizzou, UF and UGA-- and some are more likely than others. A statement win like Auburn last year is good for momentum and morale and it helps with recruiting. Snagging a W somewhere in that UF-Bama stretch would be a confidence boost.
 
I think you're exactly right on W/L record this fall. 7 and we're on track, 8+ and things are definitely going to be much better soon. 6 or less and thats not a good sign for Pruitt's tenure at UT. And this is the easiest schedule we've had in awhile. 7 is beating the 4 OOC and 3 SEC games. Very doable.
yep. i'm still worried about the LOS play on both sides of the ball. but this is all correct. i mean, really 8-4 still means you lost all 3 of the big ones, and likely MSU, USCe, BYU, MO.....and those are all toss up games at worst this year.

i mean, 8-4 is doable really..........6-6 against that schedule in year 2, while progress, wouldn't be a good look, and certainly isn't something you can sell to recruits. i thin it's important to get off to a good start....3-0 to start isn't a must, but it'd be bettert han being 2-2 headed to the bye with GA coming in next. now screw up and start 4-0.................................................

i think that'd be a long two weeks either way lol.
 
I don't hate any "butch" guys, I still don't like that narrative. Lots of his players had NUMEROUS high level D1 & SEC schools after them.

Trey Smith, Ty Chandler, Will Ignont, Jordan Murphy, Matthew Butler, Shanon Reid, K'Rojhn Calbert, Deandre Johnson, Josh Palmer all guys from Butch's last class, and all guys that I think now entering year 3 on campus will contribute. Thing is most of these guys were 3 stars that needed to develop physically and mentally to be SEC level guys. This should be the season to see if they are there or not.

Of those guys listed Palmer was the lowest 247 composite at .8502 and he had offers from UCLA, Syracuse, Fresno State, Illinois, Louisville, Michigan, Penn State. Ohio State, Michigan State, and even Notre Dame were all interested as well.

There is talent on the roster, they unfortunately are all essentially in year 2 with a real S&C program...next season should be the biggest leap in on field product, but with this year's schedule I think there is better potential to win 8 games.
 
There is talent on the roster, they unfortunately are all essentially in year 2 with a real S&C program...next season should be the biggest leap in on field product, but with this year's schedule I think there is better potential to win 8 games.
there's a line that's hard to cross between what next year's roster might look like in year 3, and it's schedule vs. this year's roster and this year's schedule.

next year @ Ark, @ OU, @ GA, @ USCe....and all your usual suspects. and a lot of the attitude toward that season will be dictated by the recruiting class and how how we do this year. both unknowns at the moment.

but i'd say this, if we were playing the 2020 schedule this year....most everyone would have 4 sure losses, OU, FL, GA, Bama.

i mean, w/out knowing a whole lot right now about next year, on face value alone, i'd say the ceiling for 19 and 20 is probalby 8 wins a piece..........
 
I think If Kyle had one more year in a 3-4 he would’ve had another year of solid tape and that would’ve put him in the 4th-5th round. His pro day helped a ton, sadly only about 1/3 of the leagues JV crew was there to see it.

I am putting my expectations at 6 wins (regular season) next year. I think it’s extremely important to make a bowl game.

6 wins - took care of business
7 wins - good year
8 wins - great year
9+ wins - Pruitt is coach of the year.
To me, this year is a “re-establish who you are” year.

And what I mean by that is, Tennessee should consistently beat Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky and South Carolina. Do that and the rest should take care of itself in the total wins department. You could even drop one early to a plucky BYU team and still get to 7 wins.
 
Six wins and a bowl was the expectation last year. Not reaching a prior year's expectation doesn't mean you can kick it forward to the next year. The expectation this year should be higher than it was last year-- so a floor of seven wins, with eight wins being encouraging and six wins being less so.

Some people don't want to quantify success, but when winning games and competing for championships is the measuring stick, then that's exactly how coaches, teams and programs are judged. None of which, in any way, indicates staff changes are warranted in Year 2.
This staff needs to actually show something this year. They’ve had pockets of success - beating Auburn, signing a couple of blue chips in the late period - but they need a success for an entire book of work, such as a winning season or a top 5 class.

No reason to suffer this “baby steps” garbage. A program with the resources of UT shouldn’t have to take baby steps like Kentucky does. We also don’t have to go from worst to first, but if we can’t make noise one way or the other, it’s going to be tough to argue that Pruitt is any better than Butch was going into year 3.
 
To me, this year is a “re-establish who you are” year.

And what I mean by that is, Tennessee should consistently beat Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky and South Carolina. Do that and the rest should take care of itself in the total wins department. You could even drop one early to a plucky BYU team and still get to 7 wins.


Uhh...to be fair Missouri leads the series 5-2, so we've not exactly been consistently beating them. Back to back 50-17 performances too, they've scored 50+ 3 of those 5 wins...

"back to who you are" for me is beating Vandy, Kentucky, USC and the 4 ooc games. While competing with UF/UGA and the -other- SEC West team we play each year.
 
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Uhh...to be fair Missouri leads the series 5-2, so we've not exactly been consistently beating them. Back to back 50-17 performances too, they've scored 50+ 3 of those 5 wins...

"back to who you are" for me is beating Vandy, Kentucky, USC and the 4 ooc games. While competing with UF/UGA and the -other- SEC West team we play each year.
Yeah, that’s fine. Either way you slice it, 7 wins should be the expectation.
 
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VQ podcast today...Simonton saying that Trey Smith is on multiple 1st Round NFL Draft mocks for next year and they're speculating that maybe word behind the scenes is that he's going to get cleared and play this fall. Would be nice for the Vols to get some monster good news like that.
If Trey gets cleared and has a season good enough to get drafted in the first couple of rounds, I sincerely hope he declares. With him having the issue come back this fall, he needs to make whatever money he can while he is still able.
 
Uhh...to be fair Missouri leads the series 5-2, so we've not exactly been consistently beating them. Back to back 50-17 performances too, they've scored 50+ 3 of those 5 wins...

"back to who you are" for me is beating Vandy, Kentucky, USC and the 4 ooc games. While competing with UF/UGA and the -other- SEC West team we play each year.
We know who we are, and we know who Missouri is. Once this alternate reality gets fixed, there’s no reason an annual victory over them shouldn’t be considered a birthright.
 
VQ podcast today...Simonton saying that Trey Smith is on multiple 1st Round NFL Draft mocks for next year and they're speculating that maybe word behind the scenes is that he's going to get cleared and play this fall. Would be nice for the Vols to get some monster good news like that.
It will be interesting to see if NFL orgs are more or less likely to let him play with his health issues.

You would also think they would theoretically add that into how much draft capital they would be willing to spend on him.
 
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It will be interesting to see if NFL orgs are more or less likely to let him play with his health issues.

You would also think they would theoretically add that into how much draft capital they would be willing to spend on him.
yeah, that's a giant ?mark for sure, and one that would/should have most NFL teams hitting pause to really find out what they'd be dealing with on the clot front.

i don't want to get too excited about the prospects of him playing again.
 
I think you're exactly right on W/L record this fall. 7 and we're on track, 8+ and things are definitely going to be much better soon. 6 or less and thats not a good sign for Pruitt's tenure at UT. And this is the easiest schedule we've had in awhile. 7 is beating the 4 OOC and 3 SEC games. Very doable.


Pruitt has also shown he can get a upset win or 2 as well. Very possible with 8 wins and 9 with the bowl.
 
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