Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Devo182]

100 dead Christians in Sri Lanka. Church bombings

The Tamils or some other anti-government group back? Hopefully civil war doesn't reignite. That was never pretty there.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

 

[Smokeytom]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

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I think our game plan this year will be very quick short passes that act as long runs and draw the defense up, and then Chaney will call a few over the top plays. Taking care of the football is always priority number one, but of course, we’ll need JG to feel out the deep shots.

It’s tough to tell from just two screenshots just what was possible on this play in real time, but if the underneath route is JG’s first read and he’s wide open for the 4-7 yard gain, then you take it and keep the ball moving.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I think our game plan this year will be very quick short passes that act as long runs and draw the defense up, and then Chaney will call a few over the top plays. Taking care of the football is always priority number one, but of course, we’ll need JG to feel out the deep shots.

It’s tough to tell from just two screenshots just what was possible on this play in real time, but if the underneath route is JG’s first read and he’s wide open for the 4-7 yard gain, then you take it and keep the ball moving.

So the next play we're in 3rd and 4, Jennings is in the slot and Flowers is covering. Jennings comes off the line, Flowers initially backpedals, Jennings cuts in front of him,a couple yards short of the first down line. DWA crosses underneath heading in the opposite direction and clears out the right side for Jennings. Jennings catches the ball and Flowers drops him short of the first down marker. It's now 4th down so we punt. I still don't understand why we don't get to the line we need when we''re running routes. The same thing happens to us in the redzone. The end result is we DON'T keep the ball moving and then we go to the press conference and bitch about not having more explosive plays. smh.

 

[Smokeytom]

So the next play we're in 3rd and 4, Jennings is in the slot and Flowers is covering. Jennings comes off the line, Flowers initially backpedals, Jennings cuts in front of him,a couple yards short of the first down line. DWA crosses underneath heading in the opposite direction and clears out the right side for Jennings. Jennings catches the ball and Flowers drops him short of the first down marker. It's now 4th down so we punt. I still don't understand why we don't get to the line we need when we''re running routes. The same thing happens to us in the redzone. The end result is we DON'T keep the ball moving and then we go to the press conference and bitch about not having more explosive plays. smh.

If your 3rd down situations are under 5 yards I think most would consider that a very manageable and favorable position. Would we rather 5 yards on 1st down and 6 yards on 2nd down? Yeah. Would we rather the big play for 6pts? Yeah. Are we going to have an OL that we can trust to consistently give our QB time to let those big plays develop? Not likely. So you find other ways.

That being said, I don’t recall a single one of Chaney’s offensive that hasn’t been able to create big plays in the passing game. Whether by drawing the defense up with the run game and PA or by consistent short passes, Chaney will find ways to get guys behind the defense. It’s what he does.

 

[chargervol]

So the next play we're in 3rd and 4, Jennings is in the slot and Flowers is covering. Jennings comes off the line, Flowers initially backpedals, Jennings cuts in front of him,a couple yards short of the first down line. DWA crosses underneath heading in the opposite direction and clears out the right side for Jennings. Jennings catches the ball and Flowers drops him short of the first down marker. It's now 4th down so we punt. I still don't understand why we don't get to the line we need when we''re running routes. The same thing happens to us in the redzone. The end result is we DON'T keep the ball moving and then we go to the press conference and bitch about not having more explosive plays. smh.

Yeah, missing the more explosive play because your first guy is open, frustrating but acceptable if you end the series with a 1st down.
Ending the series a yd short for simply calling a 4 yd route when you need 5 etc.; drives me crazy. Seems like we did that constantly during the CBJ era and I really hope we don't see much of it with Chaney.
I've always felt better at least throwing to the marker. Never liked throwing short and hoping the receiver is in position to pick up 2 YAC on 3rd down.

 

[reVOLution33]

So I’m trying to figure this out. In this play from the O&W game, both Crouch at LB and the right side DE (I think a walk-on offensive lineman who apparently was moved to DL for this game) go unblocked. The five guys on the offensive line do a pretty good job on their blocks. I mean actually I don’t see how anyone could really complain all that much, at least in regards to our success at blocking both defensive tackles and the left side defensive end.

The defense looks to be in a 4-man front. I don’t even know which gap Banks is supposed to go through. It could be the left side A gap or the right side B gap. Niehaus is at RT and while his block wasn’t really all that pretty in my view, he was effective enough that his guy wasn’t in on the play and probably would have never had a shot at Banks. They’re not worried about the right side defensive end. Okay, so he’s no Clowney. I get that, but the linebackers are the playmakers so who is supposed to pick up Crouch or even Ignont?

If I’m being fair to the offensive line I’m thinking they did their job. I mean they are told who and how to block on each play by the line calls. It looks like to me they were blocking with purpose and determination. I’m not sure how our line calls are handled. I think the center is supposed to make the calls based on the play call or defensive look or maybe he gets the line calls from the sideline. I don’t know.

I’m trying to figure out how do you run the ball in the SEC with no 2nd level blockers. I guess you average 3.70 yards per carry, and give up enough tackles for loss to rank 14th in the conference and 116th nationally. I’ve watched this play over a dozen times and for the life of me I can’t figure out what we’re trying to do. I’m left to suspect we either don’t know what we’re doing or we just suck by design. I really don’t get that because as our rankings suggest, this is one of our favorite plays. We run it a lot and it almost never works, at least not for our offense.

In this particular play I don’t think we can say the offensive line didn’t do what they were told to do. We don’t know that. If they did the wrong thing then I think they apparently don’t know what to do and that in my view becomes a coaching issue. If they did do what they were supposed to do and the play gets blown up as often as it does then I think it sucks by design.

If I’m the linebacker, I looking at the first steps for the offensive linemen, the slowest guys on the field. Once I have an inkling they’re going to open a gap for me and the ball is still 5 yards deep in the backfield I’m blasting through that gap so I can pad my stats. We have a TE lined up on the left side of the offensive line but as the play shows there’s no way in hell he’s getting to the linebacker before the play is stuffed out for a loss.

From the other side Crouch looks really explosive and instinctual. He made a damn good play but then again, he had absolutely no opposition. I don’t know what to think here.

After looking at the play a few times, it appears that the play would work perfectly to a non aggressive DC but Ansley called a MLB blitz at an unbelievably perfect time. To me it does appear the line is correct in there blocking.

If crouch had hesitated in the slightest i believe the center would have came off his block and covered the blitz but seeing as how explosive crouch was off the snap, the center had no time to react. Crouch also did a very good job of hiding the blitz which also lead the center to believe the potential for a blitz was no threat.

If there is blame i would say it is on the center for not coming off the double team and picking up the blitz.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Yeah, missing the more explosive play because your first guy is open, frustrating but acceptable if you end the series with a 1st down.
Ending the series a yd short for simply calling a 4 yd route when you need 5 etc.; drives me crazy. Seems like we did that constantly during the CBJ era and I really hope we don't see much of it with Chaney.
I've always felt better at least throwing to the marker. Never liked throwing short and hoping the receiver is in position to pick up 2 YAC on 3rd down.

I think Butch and Company beat it into his head... Don't make a mistake! You can see by his numbers he really hasn't had a game where he sustained drives and picked up yardage. I would like to see him avg. over 250yds per game and have the occasional 300+ game. No reason he shouldn't . They put enough cupcakes on the schedule to have a big game or two.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

So I’m trying to figure this out. In this play from the O&W game, both Crouch at LB and the right side DE (I think a walk-on offensive lineman who apparently was moved to DL for this game) go unblocked. The five guys on the offensive line do a pretty good job on their blocks. I mean actually I don’t see how anyone could really complain all that much, at least in regards to our success at blocking both defensive tackles and the left side defensive end.

The defense looks to be in a 4-man front. I don’t even know which gap Banks is supposed to go through. It could be the left side A gap or the right side B gap. Niehaus is at RT and while his block wasn’t really all that pretty in my view, he was effective enough that his guy wasn’t in on the play and probably would have never had a shot at Banks. They’re not worried about the right side defensive end. Okay, so he’s no Clowney. I get that, but the linebackers are the playmakers so who is supposed to pick up Crouch or even Ignont?

If I’m being fair to the offensive line I’m thinking they did their job. I mean they are told who and how to block on each play by the line calls. It looks like to me they were blocking with purpose and determination. I’m not sure how our line calls are handled. I think the center is supposed to make the calls based on the play call or defensive look or maybe he gets the line calls from the sideline. I don’t know.

I’m trying to figure out how do you run the ball in the SEC with no 2nd level blockers. I guess you average 3.70 yards per carry, and give up enough tackles for loss to rank 14th in the conference and 116th nationally. I’ve watched this play over a dozen times and for the life of me I can’t figure out what we’re trying to do. I’m left to suspect we either don’t know what we’re doing or we just suck by design. I really don’t get that because as our rankings suggest, this is one of our favorite plays. We run it a lot and it almost never works, at least not for our offense.

In this particular play I don’t think we can say the offensive line didn’t do what they were told to do. We don’t know that. If they did the wrong thing then I think they apparently don’t know what to do and that in my view becomes a coaching issue. If they did do what they were supposed to do and the play gets blown up as often as it does then I think it sucks by design.

If I’m the linebacker, I looking at the first steps for the offensive linemen, the slowest guys on the field. Once I have an inkling they’re going to open a gap for me and the ball is still 5 yards deep in the backfield I’m blasting through that gap so I can pad my stats. We have a TE lined up on the left side of the offensive line but as the play shows there’s no way in hell he’s getting to the linebacker before the play is stuffed out for a loss.

From the other side Crouch looks really explosive and instinctual. He made a damn good play but then again, he had absolutely no opposition. I don’t know what to think here.

Either the LG is supposed to come off his block and get to the LB, or the Center is supposed to. We are blocking 3 guys with 5, which won’t allow you to run the ball effectively in the SEC. The way you block the second level is those 2 guys in this play initially engage the double team briefly then scrape to the 2nd level and engage a LB. No one did and the LB made the TFL. If one of them blocks Crouch, Banks has a big gain.

 

[Smokeytom]

I think Butch and Company beat it into his head... Don't make a mistake! You can see by his numbers he really hasn't had a game where he sustained drives and picked up yardage. I would like to see him avg. over 250yds per game and have the occasional 300+ game. No reason he shouldn't . They put enough cupcakes on the schedule to have a big game or two.

Yeah the 4TDs to 0int is awesome, but only 198yrds on 19-37. Gotta be more efficient than that and hit the bigger plays. Though Palmer did have that bad drop on a pretty ball down the sideline. Would’ve been a 30yrd gain or more. 4-0 with ~250yrds looks and sounds quite a bit better.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

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I noticed that too. He also had JJ open for a much easier completion on the TD pass he threw to Palmer that was a contested catch in the back of the end zone.

 

[chargervol]

Yeah the 4TDs to 0int is awesome, but only 198yrds on 19-37. Gotta be more efficient than that and hit the bigger plays. Though Palmer did have that bad drop on a pretty ball down the sideline. Would’ve been a 30yrd gain or more. 4-0 with ~250yrds looks and sounds quite a bit better.

The tweet about JG saying "vanilla defense" - made the O performance less exciting. But made me more excited about what our defense may be capable of.
Think it was posted here but in case it wasn't. And a link to the SDS story.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...td-performance-during-tennessees-spring-game/

 

[zhangliao04]

In case you haven't heard, Jesus is alive!

I pray for those over in Sri Lanka as they go through this tough time. Those that are with the Lord now are in a much better place, and for all of the others I pray for God's peace and limitless love on them. That if they do not have a relationship with Christ that they come to have one. If they do then I pray they hold steadfast in Him and as their Rock and comfort.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Happy Resurrection Sunday to you all

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Either the LG is supposed to come off his block and get to the LB, or the Center is supposed to. We are blocking 3 guys with 5, which won’t allow you to run the ball effectively in the SEC. The way you block the second level is those 2 guys in this play initially engage the double team briefly then scrape to the 2nd level and engage a LB. No one did and the LB made the TFL. If one of them blocks Crouch, Banks has a big gain.

I'm not trying to argue and I'm sure you're right but if you follow the clock on the screen the play lasts at most 1.5 seconds. I mean we've got the slowest least athletic guys on the field playing offensive line and we think they're agile enough to accomplish 2 assignments in under 2 seconds. I'm just saying I don't think the kid's brain can work that fast, let alone his feet. If you're right then I'm not sure we wouldn't be better served with a more straight forward blocking scheme. jmo.

In truth, I still think it was a bad call but I could be wrong. I never played offensive line. I've read about it, but I was a receiver and defensive back so I really never paid attention to what those guys in the trench were doing. I do however remember all the double team blocking drills Fingers posted in his spring practice reports. We've obviously got that down now. Maybe in fall camp we add in some advanced drills so we learn how to do what you are suggesting. I'm still not sure about the speed thing though. I don't think we're going to get that much faster in 4 months. jmo

 

[Vols4us]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

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Good example. And it's not cherry picking. It is exactly what we have seen in the past of JG. Coverage reads and pre-snap reads have been substandard for his career. That indicates a mental processing of what he sees as the issue. Don't know if Chaney/Weinke can improve that significantly or not. Will see.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

The tweet about JG saying "vanilla defense" - made the O performance less exciting. But made me more excited about what our defense may be capable of.
Think it was posted here but in case it wasn't. And a link to the SDS story.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...td-performance-during-tennessees-spring-game/

Pruitt was I thought needling JG in his post game presser about throwing the ball out of bounds on a few of his downfield throws. I didn't remember JG ever doing much of that before. It occurred to me that JG may have recently had cause to developed a lot more respect for our defensive backs.

 

[Vols4us]

Happy Resurrection Sunday to you all

And to you, nick. He is risen.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

 

[UTSuave’]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

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Lol don’t expect anything past the 10 yard marker.hes literally averaged 7 yards passing his whole career.

 

[Sleegro]

76% completion on 7.9 YPA would be pretty darn solid! Not JG's fault how the offense is ran to be run-run-pass. He did well within his constraints last year. Looking at gross stats misses his efficiency.

Right. Everyone on here last year was clamoring for chryst because they said we needed a game manager. That is a perfect game manager stat line.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Happy Easter to all my VN family. It's a beautiful day!

 

[Sleegro]

Do you guys think JG threw the ball to the receiver in the best position here? I mean the defense early on keys on Palmer, perhaps because they know JG is going for the safe option, meanwhile DWA in about 0.5 seconds comes wide open well behind the already committed secondary. I think if he gets the ball to DWA and if DWA will keep his ass in bounds then he's going a long ways down the field. I like JG. Obviously, he's a tough kid but I don't think he's very aggressive at trying to make plays. I think both younger guys are probably more aggressive. I think we need to be aggressive if we're going to score some points. On this play he had good protection. Anyway, jmo.

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I don't disagree with you but think it's funny that everyone says he needs to get rid of the ball faster and when he does, now we say he should have waited to throw.

 

[butchna]

I don't disagree with you but think it's funny that everyone says he needs to get rid of the ball faster and when he does, now we say he should have waited to throw.

He can’t win and they can’t lose.

 

[GiggerVol]

Happy Easter to all my VN family. It's a beautiful day!

Going to be a beautiful Resurrection Sunday no doubt. Stepped out on my back porch about 6:15 and noticed in the heavy fog how still and quiet it was in my area. Kinda gave me an eerie feeling actually. I just looked up and thanked the Lord