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#51
#51
dimera23 said:
Fulmer (2001-2007):

vs Bama 4-3

vs SC 6-1

vs Arkansas 3-1

vs Georgia 3-4

vs Auburn 0-2

vs Florida 3-4

This period also includes wins over Michigan, Miami, Texas A&M, Cal, Wisconsin and a very good Air Force team.
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it also includes losses to Miami, Cal, Penn St, Clemson, Kansas St., Maryland, and Vandy. and that very good Air Force team finished 4-8. I'd be very careful about propping up 4-8 football teams as a reason to get excited.

many would stipulate that's part of the problem. I'd have to agree with them.
 
#52
#52
Record Against Florida, Georgia. LSU, and Auburn since the year 2000.

7-19

And you were wrong what you said earlier. Phil is the 10th winningest coach in the country right now.
 
#53
#53
etvolsfan said:
Record Against Florida, Georgia. LSU, and Auburn since the year 2000.

7-19

And you were wrong what you said earlier. Phil is the 10th winningest coach in the country right now.
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so what? being 10th on a list of winningest is not a bad thing. that's now what should have anyone up in arms about CPF.
 
#54
#54
jakez4ut said:
nice records, save Florida. they are even better the 1st 7 years of the career, and drop off significantly during the 2nd half of the career.

the numbers in the numbers...coaches head to head, also tell a different story.

it behooves me to stipulate that only because while we're in the process of not ignoring the good, we should also not ignore the bad.

so, while i can't deny what he has done over the length of his career, i also can't deny that he's been less than satisfactory, using the standards he's responsible for building mind you, against Meyer, Spurrier, Saban, Richt and Tubberville, the current compeition.

using that information, it's not a stretch to predict similar resutls so long as nothing changes here.
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No one can reasonably argue that Coach Fulmer's best years were not in the 1990s. My arguement is that the past seven years aren't so bad that he should be fired.

We're much stronger with him that without him, in my opinion.

There is absolutely no guarantee that bringing in a new coach would improve our chances of winning. In fact, given Coach Fulmer's record of success, chances are statistically higher that we would do worse. Factor in the unstable nature of non-tenured coaches and the impact that can have on recruiting and we have a recipe for disaster.

If Coach Fulmer were finishing 5-6, 6-6 or even 7-6 every year, I'd be with you in saying that we need a change. We're nowhere near that point.

Since 2001 (because you guys love the last seven years so much) we're:
11-2, 8-5, 10-3, 10-3, 5-6, 9-4, 10-4.

We've been ranked:
4, U, 15, 13, U, 25, 12

In the SEC East, we've finished:
1, 3, T-1, 1, 4, 2, 1

We're doing fine. We could be better, but it's not time to panic.
 
#56
#56
emainvol said:
That is one of the biggest understatements I have seen in my message board life.
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Who would you bring in that you could guarantee would be better than Coach Fulmer?

I can almost guarantee that we'll be better next year with Coach Fulmer given the extra year of seasoning for this team and the recruiting class he's built so far this year...provided you boo-birds don't run them off.

Think about that as well. If Coach Fulmer goes, alot of these recruits will go elsewhere too. Look at Michigan, Arkansas, West Virginia and others.
 
#57
#57
dimera23 said:
Who would you bring in that you could guarantee would be better than Coach Fulmer?

I can almost guarantee that we'll be better next year with Coach Fulmer given the extra year of seasoning for this team and the recruiting class he's built so far this year...provided you boo-birds don't run them off.

Think about that as well. If Coach Fulmer goes, alot of these recruits will go elsewhere too. Look at Michigan, Arkansas, West Virginia and others.
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Oh, emain, he/she got you. The old "Who you going to bring in" speech.
 
#60
#60
dimera23 said:
No one can reasonably argue that Coach Fulmer's best years were not in the 1990s. My arguement is that the past seven years aren't so bad that he should be fired.

We're much stronger with him that without him, in my opinion.

There is absolutely no guarantee that bringing in a new coach would improve our chances of winning. In fact, given Coach Fulmer's record of success, chances are statistically higher that we would do worse. Factor in the unstable nature of non-tenured coaches and the impact that can have on recruiting and we have a recipe for disaster.

If Coach Fulmer were finishing 5-6, 6-6 or even 7-6 every year, I'd be with you in saying that we need a change. We're nowhere near that point.

Since 2001 (because you guys love the last seven years so much) we're:
11-2, 8-5, 10-3, 10-3, 5-6, 9-4, 10-4.

We've been ranked:
4, U, 15, 13, U, 25, 12

In the SEC East, we've finished:
1, 3, T-1, 1, 4, 2, 1

We're doing fine. We could be better, but it's not time to panic.
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at this point, i think i can guarantee that keeping the current coach won't either.
 
#61
#61
jakez4ut said:
at this point, i think i can guarantee that keeping the current coach won't either.
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Exactly...the whole argument that we're too scared to make a change just doesn't hold any water. Obviously success is not guarunteed, but judging by the trend of UT's recent years (culminating in the disaster we're witnessing this year), success is far from guarunteed with the current line of coaches. After seeing the turnarounds that have happened at Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, etc...the possible payoff is worth the risk imo.
 
#62
#62
dimera23 said:
Fulmer (2001-2007):

vs Bama 4-3

vs SC 6-1

vs Arkansas 3-1

vs Georgia 3-4

vs Auburn 0-2

vs Florida 3-4

This period also includes wins over Michigan, Miami, Texas A&M, Cal, Wisconsin and a very good Air Force team.
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Did you forget LSU on purpose?
 
#63
#63
if it's about direction of the program, and i think it is, it's hard to argue that direction isn't going the wrong way at the present time.

you have to make the right hire obviously, no one wants to go thru a bunch of ray goffs or mike duboses, but doing nothing is all but sealing those kinds of results anyway.
 
#64
#64
dimera23 said:
Take a look at the "top" coaches in the NCAA. They don't have better records than Coach Fulmer. They don't have more national titles that Coach Fulmer. They don't have more bowl appearances or conference titles than Coach Fulmer.

Change to what?

Can you even guarantee that the next coach would be as good as Coach Fulmer, much less better?
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There are a whole bunch of coaches who have more conference titles than Fulmer.
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