Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[chargervol]

This got me excited about Chaney in the War Room.

Now I really want to see the spring game.

 

[AngryButchJones]

This got me excited about Chaney in the War Room.

Either means the offense is doing better or the defense is doing worse. Hard to really tell in the spring lol but I am excited for Chaney.

 

[chargervol]

Either means the offense is doing better or the defense is doing worse. Hard to really tell in the spring lol but I am excited for Chaney.

Lol, thought about that too but it wasn't the offense beating the defense that caught my attention.
It was the "to the playmakers" remark. Sounded like we have a few wrinkles to throw in and... wait for it...
Chaney plans to actually scheme to who we have. Now that would make me happy.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

As I’ve previously noted I’m relatively optimistic that our offense can take a significant step forward this year however I’m still trying to figure out what our prospects are for the defense. I looked at just how we performed in our conference games versus our peers and last year didn’t look good. We were 7th in run defense, giving up 4.35 yards per attempt. We were 11th in pass defense, giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. We were 13th in passes defended at 3.00 per game. We were 9th in giving up long running plays (10+ yards) at 44 for the season. We were 11th in giving up long passing plays (10+ yards) at a whopping 78. That means of the 567 plays our SEC opponents ran against us, 122, 21.5%, or better than 1 out of 5 went for 10 or more yards. We were 13th in stopping teams on 3rd down, allowing conversion 45.54% of the time and 14th on 4th down, allowing conversions 75% of the tries. In the redzone we allowed scores 89.74% of the time and touchdowns 71.79% of the time. We were 11th in the conference in TFL’s at 5.00 per game and 9th in sacks per game against SEC foes at 2.03 per game. We gave up 84 first downs via the run and 93 first downs via the pass, ranking us 11th and 13th respectively. It’s hard to get turnovers in our conference but we managed 4 fumble recoveries (7th place) and 5 interceptions (6th place). The most important metric is our scoring defense which allowed 36.1 points per game in the SEC, good for 12th best against our conference peers.

For years I’ve heard that the first year of switching from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 scheme is not going to be pretty but in the second year things should start coming together as players get used to the scheme and as newcomers are recruited for that specific scheme. If that holds true that should give us some promise of improvement on this side of the ball this year. Last year we were short on numbers almost everywhere on defense, numbers that could play at the SEC level, but I think the position that may have hurt us the most was free Safety or weakside safety. I’ve heard our coaches over the last few years say we don’t have strong and free safeties per se; either can play both positions. I’ve come to believe that means neither one of them are very fast so it doesn’t matter which is which.

Typically the strong side safety is going to cover the TE or RB depending on his read on the play. The strong guy typically will have linebacker like qualities. The Free Safety, as I understand it, has got to be fast. He’s the last line of defense on every play but in some formations he could have specific coverage responsibilities for a receiver. Last year we struggled with injuries at the safety position but this year we have a lot of new blood coming in. I think it’s beyond critical to our success this year that we find some guys who can lock down the back end. One comment Pruitt made after the first scrimmage that may have been a good indicator is that while the #1 offense moved the ball well, they weren’t able to generate a lot of explosive plays. Hopefully that means we’re cutting them off before they take off to the races.

Here is a breakdown of who from our SEC opponents was catching passes on us last year:


This is what we need. This is what we want!

 

[Billy Antrim]

As I’ve previously noted I’m relatively optimistic that our offense can take a significant step forward this year however I’m still trying to figure out what our prospects are for the defense. I looked at just how we performed in our conference games versus our peers and last year didn’t look good. We were 7th in run defense, giving up 4.35 yards per attempt. We were 11th in pass defense, giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. We were 13th in passes defended at 3.00 per game. We were 9th in giving up long running plays (10+ yards) at 44 for the season. We were 11th in giving up long passing plays (10+ yards) at a whopping 78. That means of the 567 plays our SEC opponents ran against us, 122, 21.5%, or better than 1 out of 5 went for 10 or more yards. We were 13th in stopping teams on 3rd down, allowing conversion 45.54% of the time and 14th on 4th down, allowing conversions 75% of the tries. In the redzone we allowed scores 89.74% of the time and touchdowns 71.79% of the time. We were 11th in the conference in TFL’s at 5.00 per game and 9th in sacks per game against SEC foes at 2.03 per game. We gave up 84 first downs via the run and 93 first downs via the pass, ranking us 11th and 13th respectively. It’s hard to get turnovers in our conference but we managed 4 fumble recoveries (7th place) and 5 interceptions (6th place). The most important metric is our scoring defense which allowed 36.1 points per game in the SEC, good for 12th best against our conference schedule.

For years I’ve heard that the first year of switching from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 scheme is not going to be pretty but in the second year things should start coming together as players get used to the scheme and as newcomers are recruited for that specific scheme. If that holds true that should give us some promise of improvement on this side of the ball this year. Last year we were short on numbers almost everywhere on defense, numbers that could play at the SEC level, but I think the position that may have hurt us the most was free Safety or weakside safety. I’ve heard our coaches over the last few years say we don’t have strong and free safeties per se; either can play both positions. I’ve come to believe that means neither one of them are very fast so it doesn’t matter which is which.

Typically the strong side safety is going to cover the TE or RB depending on his read on the play. The strong guy typically will have linebacker like qualities. The Free Safety, as I understand it, has got to be fast. He’s the last line of defense on every play but in some formations he could have specific coverage responsibilities for a receiver. Last year we struggled with injuries at the safety position but this year we have a lot of new blood coming in. I think it’s beyond critical to our success this year that we find some guys who can lock down the back end. One comment Pruitt made after the first scrimmage that may have been a good indicator is that while the #1 offense moved the ball well, they weren’t able to generate a lot of explosive plays. Hopefully that means we’re cutting them off before they take off to the races.

Here is a breakdown of who from our SEC opponents was catching passes on us last year:
View attachment 200648

This is what we need. This is what we want!

I think the defense will put up better stats this year if the offense can sustain drives and eat up more of the clock. Last year the defense was left out on the field too long and got worn out IMO.

 

[quadlee21]

Has anybody ate at the new Gino's East restaurant that open up downtown Nashville last month ? Think me and the wife going to try it out Saturday evening before supercross at Nissan Stadium. Just wondering if its as good as the one in Chicago.

 

[ionaVOL]

As I’ve previously noted I’m relatively optimistic that our offense can take a significant step forward this year however I’m still trying to figure out what our prospects are for the defense. I looked at just how we performed in our conference games versus our peers and last year didn’t look good. We were 7th in run defense, giving up 4.35 yards per attempt. We were 11th in pass defense, giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. We were 13th in passes defended at 3.00 per game. We were 9th in giving up long running plays (10+ yards) at 44 for the season. We were 11th in giving up long passing plays (10+ yards) at a whopping 78. That means of the 567 plays our SEC opponents ran against us, 122, 21.5%, or better than 1 out of 5 went for 10 or more yards. We were 13th in stopping teams on 3rd down, allowing conversion 45.54% of the time and 14th on 4th down, allowing conversions 75% of the tries. In the redzone we allowed scores 89.74% of the time and touchdowns 71.79% of the time. We were 11th in the conference in TFL’s at 5.00 per game and 9th in sacks per game against SEC foes at 2.03 per game. We gave up 84 first downs via the run and 93 first downs via the pass, ranking us 11th and 13th respectively. It’s hard to get turnovers in our conference but we managed 4 fumble recoveries (7th place) and 5 interceptions (6th place). The most important metric is our scoring defense which allowed 36.1 points per game in the SEC, good for 12th best against our conference peers.

For years I’ve heard that the first year of switching from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 scheme is not going to be pretty but in the second year things should start coming together as players get used to the scheme and as newcomers are recruited for that specific scheme. If that holds true that should give us some promise of improvement on this side of the ball this year. Last year we were short on numbers almost everywhere on defense, numbers that could play at the SEC level, but I think the position that may have hurt us the most was free Safety or weakside safety. I’ve heard our coaches over the last few years say we don’t have strong and free safeties per se; either can play both positions. I’ve come to believe that means neither one of them are very fast so it doesn’t matter which is which.

Typically the strong side safety is going to cover the TE or RB depending on his read on the play. The strong guy typically will have linebacker like qualities. The Free Safety, as I understand it, has got to be fast. He’s the last line of defense on every play but in some formations he could have specific coverage responsibilities for a receiver. Last year we struggled with injuries at the safety position but this year we have a lot of new blood coming in. I think it’s beyond critical to our success this year that we find some guys who can lock down the back end. One comment Pruitt made after the first scrimmage that may have been a good indicator is that while the #1 offense moved the ball well, they weren’t able to generate a lot of explosive plays. Hopefully that means we’re cutting them off before they take off to the races.

Here is a breakdown of who from our SEC opponents was catching passes on us last year:
View attachment 200648

This is what we need. This is what we want!

Great breakdown, thank you. I'm curious about those receiver numbers and where most of that production against us came from. To your point about the safeties and from what I remember watching, I would guess a lot of that production came from slot WRs and matchups that were able to target and isolate a WR against our safeties in particular. I think generating pressure against the QB and limiting the explosive, homerun plays will be the key to our season and as that goes, so goes our record.

 

[Pacer92]

I think the defense will put up better stats this year if the offense can sustain drives and eat up more of the clock. Last year the defense was left out on the field too long and got worn out IMO.

Agree. Offense has to be complimentary. Sustaining drives and changing field position hurt us last year...

Defensively, I know we lost experience on the DL, but I’m probably one of the few that thinks that may not be a bad thing. I think we will be more talented and physical up front..

 

[jakez4ut]

As I’ve previously noted I’m relatively optimistic that our offense can take a significant step forward this year however I’m still trying to figure out what our prospects are for the defense. I looked at just how we performed in our conference games versus our peers and last year didn’t look good. We were 7th in run defense, giving up 4.35 yards per attempt. We were 11th in pass defense, giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. We were 13th in passes defended at 3.00 per game. We were 9th in giving up long running plays (10+ yards) at 44 for the season. We were 11th in giving up long passing plays (10+ yards) at a whopping 78. That means of the 567 plays our SEC opponents ran against us, 122, 21.5%, or better than 1 out of 5 went for 10 or more yards. We were 13th in stopping teams on 3rd down, allowing conversion 45.54% of the time and 14th on 4th down, allowing conversions 75% of the tries. In the redzone we allowed scores 89.74% of the time and touchdowns 71.79% of the time. We were 11th in the conference in TFL’s at 5.00 per game and 9th in sacks per game against SEC foes at 2.03 per game. We gave up 84 first downs via the run and 93 first downs via the pass, ranking us 11th and 13th respectively. It’s hard to get turnovers in our conference but we managed 4 fumble recoveries (7th place) and 5 interceptions (6th place). The most important metric is our scoring defense which allowed 36.1 points per game in the SEC, good for 12th best against our conference peers.

For years I’ve heard that the first year of switching from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 scheme is not going to be pretty but in the second year things should start coming together as players get used to the scheme and as newcomers are recruited for that specific scheme. If that holds true that should give us some promise of improvement on this side of the ball this year. Last year we were short on numbers almost everywhere on defense, numbers that could play at the SEC level, but I think the position that may have hurt us the most was free Safety or weakside safety. I’ve heard our coaches over the last few years say we don’t have strong and free safeties per se; either can play both positions. I’ve come to believe that means neither one of them are very fast so it doesn’t matter which is which.

Typically the strong side safety is going to cover the TE or RB depending on his read on the play. The strong guy typically will have linebacker like qualities. The Free Safety, as I understand it, has got to be fast. He’s the last line of defense on every play but in some formations he could have specific coverage responsibilities for a receiver. Last year we struggled with injuries at the safety position but this year we have a lot of new blood coming in. I think it’s beyond critical to our success this year that we find some guys who can lock down the back end. One comment Pruitt made after the first scrimmage that may have been a good indicator is that while the #1 offense moved the ball well, they weren’t able to generate a lot of explosive plays. Hopefully that means we’re cutting them off before they take off to the races.

Here is a breakdown of who from our SEC opponents was catching passes on us last year:
View attachment 200648

This is what we need. This is what we want!

good stuff. the fuzzy line i'm always concerned about is how much of any defensive backfield's woes are attributed to what happens in front of them? it's not like they can cover/react forever back there....that's just a general statement, not an indictment on what you've presented here.

cause vice versa, sometimes the front 7 benefits from excellent back end work....

what comes first...chicken or egg type deal....i only bring it up because i think our strength on defense is going to be the back 4.

we have questions all over the front 7 in regards to personnel..........so i have the same curiousity about our defense as you.

Similarly, i think the offense takes a step forward this year. i honestly think this year is going to be a lot like that 2009 or 2012 year. i think the offense keeps us in a lot of games, but our defense may not necessarily be able to close the deal in all cases....usually i would agree with the year 2 moniker, and cite that as reason #1 as to why the defense will improve from last year to this, but the reality is there's just not a lot of production returning, especially in the DL. and at Safety we're hoping Flowers, Sham....someone steps up in that 2nd spot. early returns on McOllough have been good, so hopefully that means we at least have some depth there that can be spread around to Safety and the Star position.

cautiously optimistic. but i need to see the defense in action....

 

[volfaninpa]

Is there a visitor list for this weekend or are all the prospects coming next weekend?

 

[jakez4ut]

just an observation..........i know it's like ridiculously slow around here lately....................but that's probably very good news truth be told.

there's nothing for us to talk about. if nothing else, that means there's nothing BAD to be talking about..............if you want to take the glass is half full approach.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Vols Baseball team is 22-8, but appears to have been brought down to earth in SEC play since they are 3-6 in conference. Granted Auburn, South Carolina and Vanderbilt aren't exactly bad teams to drop games to and now they get a top 5 Miss State series...geeze. SEC baseball is stout! Big weekend with this weekend's series all played at home, be a great series to try and catch a game or two.


Lady Vols Softball looking good so far 28-6 and 6-3 in conference. Could be a great season for both programs, hoping to see each make it to the CWS.

 

[eVOLve]

I think the defense will put up better stats this year if the offense can sustain drives and eat up more of the clock. Last year the defense was left out on the field too long and got worn out IMO.

We averaged just over 28 minutes a game on offense in all of our losses. The games that stand out in a bad way are 22:33 against Georgia, 22:38 against Mizz and 16:57 against Vandy... ouch

 

[Vols4us]

I think the defense will put up better stats this year if the offense can sustain drives and eat up more of the clock. Last year the defense was left out on the field too long and got worn out IMO.

A simple answer that is the correct answer IMO. Spot on.

A rested D that was ranked #49 at 377.4 yards per game at 5.67 yards per play average in Total D; will be the beneficiary of an offense that will gain far more than the #121 ranked O at 325.5 yards per game at 5.46 yards per play average. They only had 716 plays on offense while giving 799 plays to the opponents. Pruitt kept them more competitive by slowing the pace of play compared to most of the rest of FBS. The O was so bad it was absolutely amazing the D achieved what it did with the roster it had and would not have without Pruitt's guidance. They will take a good step forward this season. The O will take an even bigger step forward IMO. Which is why I see them winning 8 or more games.

 

[jakez4ut]

Vols Baseball team is 22-8, but appears to have been brought down to earth in SEC play since they are 3-6 in conference. Granted Auburn, South Carolina and Vanderbilt aren't exactly bad teams to drop games to and now they get a top 5 Miss State series...geeze. SEC baseball is stout! Big weekend with this weekend's series all played at home, be a great series to try and catch a game or two.


Lady Vols Softball looking good so far 28-6 and 6-3 in conference. Could be a great season for both programs, hoping to see each make it to the CWS.

i'm not a huge baseball fan, but when they had us in the top 25, i thought that was cool. then you look at the rest of the top 25 and realize....we're still like probably the 12th best team in the conf............lol.

the SEC is LOADED in baseball.............last year we missed the SEC tourney losing the last series of the year to MO.

this team can show progress by just making a post season appearance..........they're definitely better than last year. that may not mean a ton when comparing recrods at the end of the year though.......

 

[drvenner]

This makes my day!!

 

[drvenner]

“Yay we’re number 69”

FYP

 

[drvenner]

I dont follow him very closely, but what does he do thats so wrong? I find hes an expert at basketball and a spitballer at other sports, which is why he tends to stick with the nba. Hes also quite socially conservative, the only thing I dont get about him. When he gets on social issues i just hit the snooze button...eazy peazy.

Except he does not tend to stick with the NBA. He has a lot of respect from the players and coaches there and gets good information, but he still talks out of his azz a lot. And, loudly.

 

[hotcypress]

Coach Lanier is going to be Georgia State's new HC. Congrats to him!

 

[Kingston Vol]

Very surprised Lanier is leaving.

Des Oliver is probably getting the Kennesaw State job.

Schwartz is in play at Tennessee Tech too.

 

[drvenner]

Vols Baseball team is 22-8, but appears to have been brought down to earth in SEC play since they are 3-6 in conference. Granted Auburn, South Carolina and Vanderbilt aren't exactly bad teams to drop games to and now they get a top 5 Miss State series...geeze. SEC baseball is stout! Big weekend with this weekend's series all played at home, be a great series to try and catch a game or two.


Lady Vols Softball looking good so far 28-6 and 6-3 in conference. Could be a great season for both programs, hoping to see each make it to the CWS.

It would be great to win 2 of three this weekend against MSU. Tough challenge, no doubt. The pitching has not been as consistent since SEC play started and that was probably to be expected. The offense has been pretty good, overall.

 

[HankHill]

As I’ve previously noted I’m relatively optimistic that our offense can take a significant step forward this year however I’m still trying to figure out what our prospects are for the defense. I looked at just how we performed in our conference games versus our peers and last year didn’t look good. We were 7th in run defense, giving up 4.35 yards per attempt. We were 11th in pass defense, giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. We were 13th in passes defended at 3.00 per game. We were 9th in giving up long running plays (10+ yards) at 44 for the season. We were 11th in giving up long passing plays (10+ yards) at a whopping 78. That means of the 567 plays our SEC opponents ran against us, 122, 21.5%, or better than 1 out of 5 went for 10 or more yards. We were 13th in stopping teams on 3rd down, allowing conversion 45.54% of the time and 14th on 4th down, allowing conversions 75% of the tries. In the redzone we allowed scores 89.74% of the time and touchdowns 71.79% of the time. We were 11th in the conference in TFL’s at 5.00 per game and 9th in sacks per game against SEC foes at 2.03 per game. We gave up 84 first downs via the run and 93 first downs via the pass, ranking us 11th and 13th respectively. It’s hard to get turnovers in our conference but we managed 4 fumble recoveries (7th place) and 5 interceptions (6th place). The most important metric is our scoring defense which allowed 36.1 points per game in the SEC, good for 12th best against our conference peers.

For years I’ve heard that the first year of switching from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 scheme is not going to be pretty but in the second year things should start coming together as players get used to the scheme and as newcomers are recruited for that specific scheme. If that holds true that should give us some promise of improvement on this side of the ball this year. Last year we were short on numbers almost everywhere on defense, numbers that could play at the SEC level, but I think the position that may have hurt us the most was free Safety or weakside safety. I’ve heard our coaches over the last few years say we don’t have strong and free safeties per se; either can play both positions. I’ve come to believe that means neither one of them are very fast so it doesn’t matter which is which.

Typically the strong side safety is going to cover the TE or RB depending on his read on the play. The strong guy typically will have linebacker like qualities. The Free Safety, as I understand it, has got to be fast. He’s the last line of defense on every play but in some formations he could have specific coverage responsibilities for a receiver. Last year we struggled with injuries at the safety position but this year we have a lot of new blood coming in. I think it’s beyond critical to our success this year that we find some guys who can lock down the back end. One comment Pruitt made after the first scrimmage that may have been a good indicator is that while the #1 offense moved the ball well, they weren’t able to generate a lot of explosive plays. Hopefully that means we’re cutting them off before they take off to the races.

Here is a breakdown of who from our SEC opponents was catching passes on us last year:
View attachment 200648

This is what we need. This is what we want!

I just had flashbacks of Vandy and Missouri picking on our LBs in coverage.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Anybody seen Sarge lately?

 

[Rishvol]

Coach Lanier is going to be Georgia State's new HC. Congrats to him!

I honestly thought he was going to stick around and then replace Barnes when Barnes retires

 

[bignewt]

I honestly thought he was going to stick around and then replace Barnes when Barnes retires

He still could swing back in when the time comes.