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#51
#51
BruinVol said:
Lol


So if the ref swallows his whistle we all of sudden aren't disappointed ????


You understand just how dumb that is don't you?
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I assume you never played even high school ball right?

If you are preseason Top Ten and don't make an Elite Eight and didn't even win either conference championship you had a disappointing year.

That is just a fact.
 
#52
#52
BruinVol said:
Lol


So if the ref swallows his whistle we all of sudden aren't disappointed ????


You understand just how dumb that is don't you?
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If the Vols had hit better than 50% of their free throws no one would be disappointed.

Goes both ways
 
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#53
#53
zjcvols said:
If I told you before the season, without giving you the win total, that UT wouldn’t win a regular or tournament conference title and lose in the S16, you would have been happy with that season? Come on no you wouldn’t.
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Hey but we won a bunch of meaningless regular season games. 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
 
#54
#54
zjcvols said:
Then what’s your point? Why are you so adamantly trying to defend this team by saying the tourney shouldn’t matter since it’s a flawed system? Overall teams are defined by championships. Some seasons, yeah it’s kind of silly to expect that (like Barnes’ first two seasons) and those seasons should be judged differently. But you win a SEC title the season before, return 9/10 of your top players, and start the season in the top 10 and come up with no titles, no Final Fours, nothing? It’s not a successful season.

And by the way, Tennessee had 18 games to win a SEC championship and didn’t do that either.
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Ok so now 15-3 doesn't meet your line in the sand either


You ask what the point is and the point is simple. You guys calling this a disappointment would be calling it a success if the official didn't call a foul.

So an official, a Freaking official, decided the success or lack there if of this team in you guys minds. That's dumb
 
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zjcvols said:
If I told you before the season, without giving you the win total, that UT wouldn’t win a regular or tournament conference title and lose in the S16, you would have been happy with that season? Come on no you wouldn’t.
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Again, quit thinking so small. Everything isnt black/white. Honestly, I'm sick over last nights game, but for many of you not to see the season/team as a success makes me feel sorry for you.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I have said this a couple of times, but I thought they came out tight and it was obvious. JMO.
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I was at the game. I didn't like the way they warmed up. Spent 10 minutes in a lay-up line doing all kinds of wild dunks instead of getting in quality shots. I told my son, at least we are not tight. LOL
 
#59
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BruinVol said:
Ok so now 15-3 doesn't meet your line in the sand either


You ask what the point is and the point is simple. You guys calling this a disappointment would be calling it a success if the official didn't call a foul.

So an official, a Freaking official, decided the success or lack there if of this team in you guys minds. That's dumb
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No an official didn’t decide the game. We got outplayed for about 35 minutes of that game. We didn’t hit our FT’s.

If UT shoots their season average from the line then we win by 8 and that foul doesn’t even matter.
 
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Sugaray13 said:
I was at the game. I didn't like the way they warmed up. Spent 10 minutes in a lay-up line doing all kinds of wild dunks instead of getting in quality shots. I told my son, at least we are not tight. LOL
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Same way for every game
 
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jp1 said:
Again, quit thinking so small. Everything isnt black/white. Honestly, I'm sick over last nights game, but for many of you not to see the season/team as a success makes me feel sorry for you.
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That’s how sports go man. Great regular seasons get overshadowed by poor postseason performances all the time.

As a Braves fan, trust me I know. Nobody cares out of Braves fans care that they did something impossible winning their division 14 times. All anyone says is “yeah but they only got one WS ring!” Welcome to North American sports.
 
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jp1 said:
For you to be in this forum telling us what success and failure is after seeing many of your JG posts in the FF is hysterical to me.
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For you to link the two is hysterical.

There are these things called expectations ya know.

Success or failure is relative to expectations. Also evaluating player performance vs a team's season success are two different things.

You also judge football and basketball performance differently. Regular season sport vs tourney sport.
 
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zjcvols said:
If UT hits their season average from the FT line who wins?
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Tennessee didn't shoot any free throws in the last 2 seconds. You clearly know your thinking is seriously flawed. Your judgment of a teams success flipped on one officials, one whistle, on a game ending play.

Dumb as hell to judge a teams success on one officials one call. Plain dumb and you know it
 
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BruinVol said:
Tennessee didn't shoot any free throws in the last 2 seconds. You clearly know your thinking is seriously flawed. Your judgment of a teams success flipped on one officials, one whistle, on a game ending play.

Dumb as hell to judge a teams success on one officials one call. Plain dumb and you know it
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LMAO, did UT not have five minutes after that call to try and win the game?

And that’s called sports Bruin. Things happen all the time that go against you. Tennessee had plenty of chances to win that game and didn’t get the job done. That’s on them. We got some calls too.

This is top shelf whining I gotta say.
 
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savannahfan said:
Bye the way, looked and saw where you are a wanna be sailor. I being an old sailor, learned to and can cuss with the best!
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Lol, old folks talkin to themselves...
Someones gotta protect the boat. Oddly enough I havent said a curse word outloud in years shipmate.
 
#71
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zjcvols said:
LMAO, did UT not have five minutes after that call to try and win the game?

And that’s called sports Bruin. Things happen all the time that go against you. Tennessee had plenty of chances to win that game and didn’t get the job done. That’s on them. We got some calls too.

This is top shelf whining I gotta say.
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Like I said you haven't answered the question


If the foul isn't called who wins???



For me I don't judge success on freaky one play outcomes like the foul call. I don't crown Duke for being some kind of battle tested champion because the UCF tip didn't find the bottom of the net. I don't crown Purdue any more than I downgrade the Vols for losses. Games decided by freakish single last second plays should never decide the real value of a team.


I mean my gosh Zion was spouting off the "I was born for this " bs after that UCF game when he missed a huge free throw. You can't crown "winners" and "losers" when a freakish play decides a game
 
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#72
Debate over the tourney / successful season etc, likely noone is going to change their mind here. All things considered the vols had a good season. The problem is there is, and always will be a but..
We got embarrased in the sec tourney. Didnt play well in the ncaa touney and it caught up to us.
So yeah, we had a good season but, they dont raise a "really good season" banner.

But at least, in true vol fashion.....we can blame the refs.
 
#73
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BruinVol said:
Like I said you haven't answered the question


If the foul isn't called who wins???



For me I don't judge success on freaky one play outcomes like the foul call. I don't crown Duke for being some kind of battle tested champion because the UCF tip didn't find the bottom of the net. I don't crown Purdue any more than I downgrade the Vols for losses. Games decided by freakish single last second plays should never decide the real value of a team.


I mean my gosh Zion was spouting off the "I was born for this " bs after that UCF game when he missed a huge free throw. You can't crown "winners" and "losers" when a freakish play decides a game
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You haven’t answered my question. If UT hits their season average from the FT line who wins?

You said in the OP that we should judge the team based on their entire body of work. Not one play. Not one game. Entire body of work. And that’s what I’m doing. The season over. I have looked at it all. And I’m judging the team on the entire body of work. And they didn’t win a conference title of any sort and didn’t make the Final Four. Since they were preseason top 10 and other than Lamonte missing some meaningless non conference games, didn’t have any injuries...this season was not successful.
 
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k-town_king said:
For you to link the two is hysterical.

There are these things called expectations ya know.

Success or failure is relative to expectations. Also evaluating player performance vs a team's season success are two different things.

You also judge football and basketball performance differently. Regular season sport vs tourney sport.
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Hopefully you see my point and are just choosing not to acknowledge it. Have a good day!
 
#75
#75
zjcvols said:
You haven’t answered my question. If UT hits their season average from the FT line who wins?

You said in the OP that we should judge the team based on their entire body of work. Not one play. Not one game. Entire body of work. And that’s what I’m doing. The season over. I have looked at it all. And I’m judging the team on the entire body of work. And they didn’t win a conference title of any sort and didn’t make the Final Four. Since they were preseason top 10 and other than Lamonte missing some meaningless non conference games, didn’t have any injuries...this season was not successful.
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Any season with 30 wins is a success. I can understand saying there was more out there to achieve but to say it wasn't a success is just dumb.
 
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