Crompton Turnaround

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k-town_king said:
I felt this needed a thread. I have repeatedly heard people would be happy if he had a Crompton year or he needs to get it like Crompton or some combination of those.

He already did and is already better than Sr Crompton.

That kills the narrative he was one of the worst qbs ever last year and that he also didn't improve a ton. He did.

Now he needs to build on it.

I think we all agree he needs to continue improving.
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I agree with you. Nothing wrong with making a new post actually looking at their stats considering how many times they have been compared.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Half as many TDs and yards does not equate to better. Perhaps in some alternate universe where the guy who attempts one pass in a season and completes it is the best QB in the NCAA because he has a perfect ratio, but not in the real world.

And to say that Guarantano has ever at any moment on this earth been in the same universe as Casey Clausen as a quarterback is ludicrous; silly would also be a good word for it.
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I didn't realize JC threw for 4000 yards.

You do have to throw a minimum to qualify on the stat boards. So . . .

Yes JG was better individually. He just didn't have as many attempts. The stats are pretty clear.

JC also had three times as many ints.


So to be better to you he just needs to throw more passes than Crompton?

If he threw close to 400 passes he would be killing him in all stats and still would have half as many ints.


CC benefited from talent and coaching. JG has more talent and a better arm. If JG threw as many passes he would have better stats than CC in his jr or Sr years.

CC was a great game manager who won a ton of games. Nothing bad to say about him. He did his job well and for the most part took advantage of the great players around him.
 
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k-town_king said:
Lol. That is why I mde this post. For people who say dub stuff like this.

CC you have a case. Rick? lmao

Rick Clausen Stats

04- 59.36 % 7 ypa 6.5 adj ypa 8 tds/5ints 130.2 rating
05- 57.4% 6.9 ypa 6.2 adj ypa 6tds/6int 19.1 rating.

What in those stats say Rick was better mentally? Just because you want soemthing to be true doesn't make it so. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casey Clausen
Jr year with Kelly Washington and Jason Witten. Houston, Davis, Fleming, Riggs in the backfield
62.6% 2297 yards 11tds/7ints 7.4 ypa 7.1 adj ypa 132 rating

CC was good. Benefited from starting a ton of games with a ton of talent around him also.
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I'm on record as saying I like JG and people sell him short often for whatever reason, but I frequently see you defending him which I don't have a problem with at all. The thing I do take issue with is you skewing the stats of CC to your argument....you throw out his Jr year stats as a comparison, but avoid his sophomore and senior stats. Perhaps that's why these conversations go the way they often go.

I hope JG leaves here a bigger star than CC did, but at this point it's crazy for you to try to make the comparison. They rival each other in toughness I will say that.
 
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I don't know why K-Town continues to sell JG. He is already the QB. He is head and shoulders above the 2 behind him. If he goes down we are probably in DEEP trouble. I for one hope he has a Heisman year.
 
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k-town_king said:
I didn't realize JC threw for 4000 yards.

You do have to throw a minimum to qualify on the stat boards. So . . .

Yes JG was better individually. He just didn't have as many attempts. The stats are pretty clear.

JC also had three times as many ints.


So to be better to you he just needs to throw more passes than Crompton?

If he threw close to 400 passes he would be killing him in all stats and still would have half as many ints.


CC benefited from talent and coaching. JG has more talent and a better arm. If JG threw as many passes he would have better stats than CC in his jr or Sr years.

CC was a great game manager who won a ton of games. Nothing bad to say about him. He did his job well and for the most part took advantage of the great players around him.
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All your opinion. I have seen absolutely nothing from JG to make me think he is some great QB. At the end of the day, he likely will be as undrafted as CC. The real question is if he will have even one bowl victory before he leaves.
 
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jp1 said:
I'm on record as saying I like JG and people sell him short often for whatever reason, but I frequently see you defending him which I don't have a problem with at all. The thing I do take issue with is you skewing the stats of CC to your argument....you throw out his Jr year stats as a comparison, but avoid his sophomore and senior stats. Perhaps that's why these conversations go the way they often go.

I hope JG leaves here a bigger star than CC did, but at this point it's crazy for you to try to make the comparison. They rival each other in toughness I will say that.
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Casey senior year was his worst year stat wise.
 
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EZE said:
All your opinion. I have seen absolutely nothing from JG to make me think he is some great QB. At the end of the day, he likely will be as undrafted as CC. The real question is if he will have even one bowl victory before he leaves.
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Need to see what he can do under Chaney. If the OL improves to at least average, I think you all will be quite surprised by JG.
 
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k-town_king said:
I didn't realize JC threw for 4000 yards.

You do have to throw a minimum to qualify on the stat boards. So . . .

Yes JG was better individually. He just didn't have as many attempts. The stats are pretty clear.

JC also had three times as many ints.


So to be better to you he just needs to throw more passes than Crompton?

If he threw close to 400 passes he would be killing him in all stats and still would have half as many ints.


CC benefited from talent and coaching. JG has more talent and a better arm. If JG threw as many passes he would have better stats than CC in his jr or Sr years.

CC was a great game manager who won a ton of games. Nothing bad to say about him. He did his job well and for the most part took advantage of the great players around him.
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Said it once and i'll say it again. JC threw a TD reception on every 14 throws (on average) to JG once every 20 attempts. TD's wins games no matter how you spin it. That's why JC had 7 wins to JG's 5 in the seasons that you compare.
 
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cbatey1 said:
Said it once and i'll say it again. JC threw a TD reception on every 14 throws (on average) to JG once every 20 attempts. TD's wins games no matter how you spin it. That's why JC had 7 wins to JG's 5 in the seasons that you compare.
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One had a oc who ran the ball everytime we got close. One didn't. JG still threw the ball better.
 
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I just hope JG takes another step forward. Even though his numbers weren't bad last year he is still average in my mind but hoping the new OC can pull all the talent out. JG's overwhelming best asset is ball security but on the flip side, few QBs hold the ball and get blind sided like he does. I know our OL was terrible but he would often just stands there with pressure bearing down on him knowing a blitz is coming and doesn't see it. His pre-snap reads need to improve greatly. Hopefully it will.
 
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EZE said:
All your opinion. I have seen absolutely nothing from JG to make me think he is some great QB. At the end of the day, he likely will be as undrafted as CC. The real question is if he will have even one bowl victory before he leaves.
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Havent you seen him practice? Elite passer at practice!
 
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JG has been saddled with the following:

A pathetic OL
Not enough playmakers at WR and RB
A poor head coach in over his head (Butch)
Another head coach without head coaching experience
A coordinator without coordinating experience (Larry Scott)
Another coordinator without P5 coordinating experience (Helton)
A dramatic switch in offensive philosophies

JG has some flaws in his game (I don't think his presence is elite) but he's been given a tough hand......
 
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k-town_king said:
I see many post about the lack of production from those not sold on JG. I see many of those posters pine for a "Crompton like" Sr leap/turnaround from JG.

So in other words you just want him to throw the ball more? I think many fail to realize he already took a leap last year to have a better yr than Sr Crompton that y'all want him to "reach." JG was already better in every single category except the raw total number stats. Anyone who knows football knows those are the worse stats to judge qb performance on due to differences in personnel and coaching schemes.

QB rating
Sph JG -141
Sr JC - 136

YPA
JG- 7.8
JC- 7.3

Adj YPA
JG- 8.2
JC- 7.2

Completion Percentage
JG- 62.2
JC- 58.3

Completions/Attempts
JG- 153/246
JC- 224/384

Yards
JG- 1907
JC- 2800

tds/ints
JG- 12/3
JC- 27/13


With improved and less conservative playcalling we will be fine. Time to open it up this year. If we do the o will be good.
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You really struggle with basic comprehension when it isn't what you want to hear, don't you?

If people just wanted JG to be better than Crompton... that bar would be WAY too low. What you need to compare is Crompton before and after Chaney. If JG is capable and puts in the work, we need him to make that kind of PROPORTIONAL "jump".

You are STILL trying to use stats built while being conservative to PROTECT JG from mistakes to prove things... those stats just don't prove and to deny things those stats simply don't disprove.
 
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k-town_king said:
How? It is clearly about JG in comparison to Crompton.

People who have complained about JG have also asked for him to "get it" like Crompton his Sr year.

JG is already better than Sr Crompton. He just needs more attempts.
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Crompton in his Sr year played behind a WORSE OL than JG. One starting OT was a RS Fr that was said to have gotten as light as 240 during the season. One OG and the C were former walk-ons who apparently never broke 280 lbs while at UT. Only one receiver on that team ever played a down in the NFL... the WHOLE TEAM.

And yet... Chaney took a guy who was completely broken emotionally... whose family had received death threats because he played so badly... and made him a credible QB who finished mid-pack or above in most statistical categories. JG's ceiling is MUCH higher than that.

Crompton "got it" because he could do the WHOLE JOB. He knew when to throw it away. He made the calls on the field they asked him to make. He used the whole field. He led receivers. He threw slants. He made pre-snap reads and stayed out of trouble..

He made some mistakes. But they didn't protect him from himself. Chaney forced him to do the job.
 
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cbatey1 said:
Said it once and i'll say it again. JC threw a TD reception on every 14 throws (on average) to JG once every 20 attempts. TD's wins games no matter how you spin it. That's why JC had 7 wins to JG's 5 in the seasons that you compare.
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I don’t remember but how was the OL when Crompton there? Part of throwing TD’s is being in red zone which means the whole team gets in scoring range, or the OL buys time for qb to throw long passes...neither of those things happened a lot so far w JG and his OL/RB’s.
 
#50
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I’ve always stayed out of the JG thing going on on this forum. I really don’t think he is nearly as bad or as good as some here like to think. I feel like an even remotely better line would make a big difference.
 
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