Year 1 of the NET

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Well what did we learn from year one of the NET???


Bubble teams:
NC State-33 left out
Clemson-35 left out
Belmont-47 got in
Temple-56 got in
Minn-61 got a 10 seed
Arizona State- 63 got in
St Johns-73 got in


Gonzaga-2 got a one seed
Unc-7 got a one seed



From what i see the NET wasn't used at all by the committee unless it was to justify Gonzaga.
 
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But UNC wasn’t even the last #1 seed. Gonzaga was who would still have been ranked 2 despite a win from us Sunday.

The disparity between NC State and St Johns is ridiculous. It’s obvious the committee does whatever the hell they want to. They only cherry pick criteria to support their actions. The NET gives them something to cherry pick from.
 
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golfballs said:
But UNC wasn’t even the last #1 seed. Gonzaga was who would still have been ranked 2 despite a win from us Sunday.

The disparity between NC State and St Johns is ridiculous. It’s obvious the committee does whatever the hell they want to. They only cherry pick criteria to support their actions. The NET gives them something to cherry pick from.
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Interesting what data I just realized. Looks to me the committee just used RPI as always


NC state 97 RPI
Clemson 60 RPI
Temple 34 RPI
Belmont 43 RPI
Minnesota 41 RPI
St. John's 66 RPI
Arizona State 44 RPI


Crazy diffence for NC state and Clemson in RPI
 
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BruinVol said:
Interesting what data I just realized. Looks to me the committee just used RPI as always


NC state 97 RPI
Clemson 60 RPI
Temple 34 RPI
Belmont 43 RPI
Minnesota 41 RPI
St. John's 66 RPI
Arizona State 44 RPI


Crazy diffence for NC state and Clemson in RPI
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Good grief
 
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BruinVol said:
The data I just provided would make for a great story by one of the media guys. Would shine a light on something very interesting
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Yup.

And it feels like the last several years they’ve let in some serious wtf teams. St.Jonhs being that team this year.
 
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NC State is 33 at KenPom. Because net efficiciency is included in the NET (and not RPI), that seems to be one reason why they were higher in the NET. NC State played a lot of close games in conference but also had a lot of 10+ point wins OOC because their schedule was awful. That could contribute into why their NET was higher.

I agree that it’s a strange difference between the two, but I have no issue looking at the entire body of work. If NC State doesn’t lose 2 games to WF and GTech, they are probably in. Those are two bad teams, so I don’t feel that sorry for them.
 
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VolGee4 said:
NC State is 33 at KenPom. Because net efficiciency is included in the NET (and not RPI), that seems to be one reason why they were higher in the NET. NC State played a lot of close games in conference but also had a lot of 10+ point wins OOC because their schedule was awful. That could contribute into why their NET was higher.

I agree that it’s a strange difference between the two, but I have no issue looking at the entire body of work. If NC State doesn’t lose 2 games to WF and GTech, they are probably in. Those are two bad teams, so I don’t feel that sorry for them.
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I don't feel sorry for them at all just trying to see what factors are used. If he net didn't exist NC state would have never even been thought to have been on the bubble with that RPI
 
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VolGee4 said:
NC State is 33 at KenPom. Because net efficiciency is included in the NET (and not RPI), that seems to be one reason why they were higher in the NET. NC State played a lot of close games in conference but also had a lot of 10+ point wins OOC because their schedule was awful. That could contribute into why their NET was higher.

I agree that it’s a strange difference between the two, but I have no issue looking at the entire body of work. If NC State doesn’t lose 2 games to WF and GTech, they are probably in. Those are two bad teams, so I don’t feel that sorry for them.
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I know it can be explained, but what’s the point of even developing and announcing it, if they aren’t even using it?
 
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golfballs said:
I know it can be explained, but what’s the point of even developing and announcing it, if they aren’t even using it?
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Do you know if the women use the NET?


The reason I ask I saw a social media post from one member of their committee and RPI was listed as criteria
 
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BruinVol said:
Do you know if the women use the NET?


The reason I ask I saw a social media post from one member of their committee and RPI was listed as criteria
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Judging how we got in, they used the name on the jersey more than any other criteria....
 
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BruinVol said:
Well what did we learn from year one of the NET???


Bubble teams:
NC State-33 left out
Clemson-35 left out
Belmont-47 got in
Temple-56 got in
Minn-61 got a 10 seed
Arizona State- 63 got in
St Johns-73 got in


Gonzaga-2 got a one seed
Unc-7 got a one seed



From what in see the NET wasn't used at all by the committee unless it was to justify Gonzaga.
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As usual, I notice the committee made sure the seats were nicely scattered to cover the whole country with a team that can "draw" interest and/or a crowd.
 
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Indiana at 54 was excluded. Only had 17 wins but one was a win over M St.
Looks to me like the rankings have more sway than the NET.
It's time for a change. We need a separate P6 tournament. F**** tradition.
 
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golfballs said:
I know it can be explained, but what’s the point of even developing and announcing it, if they aren’t even using it?
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The RPI needed refined. But it doesn't mean the metrics are exactly used. You have to look at overall body of work. There will be exceptions most of the time.

NC State hurt itself by playing a weak OOC schedule, lost to WF and Gtech, and couldn't win close games with UVA and FSU.
 
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VolGee4 said:
The RPI needed refined. But it doesn't mean the metrics are exactly used. You have to look at overall body of work. There will be exceptions most of the time.

NC State hurt itself by playing a weak OOC schedule, lost to WF and Gtech, and couldn't win close games with UVA and FSU.
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These two paragraphs dont jive. You can’t focus on ‘the body of work’ and then single out their OOC schedule. That’s what the committee does. besides St Johns OOC was about the same as NC State.

Anyway, strength of schedule is already a component in the NET ranking.

Ohio State had a terrible combined net/RPI and they were even one of the play-in games. Clemson was vastly better in both regards and got left out
 
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calban said:
Indiana at 54 was excluded. Only had 17 wins but one was a win over M St.
Looks to me like the rankings have more sway than the NET.
It's time for a change. We need a separate P6 tournament. F**** tradition.
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They had some good wins. Louisville, Wisconsin and 2 wins over Michigan st. Their worse loss was at Rutgers or Northwestern (something Minnesota and Ohio St both did). It would be like losing at Missouri or South Carolina. Also something plenty of tournament teams have done - UCF, Auburn, Miss St, and Ole Miss
 
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golfballs said:
These two paragraphs dont jive. You can’t focus on ‘the body of work’ and then single out their OOC schedule. That’s what the committee does. besides St Johns OOC was about the same as NC State.

Anyway, strength of schedule is already a component in the NET ranking.

Ohio State had a terrible combined net/RPI and they were even one of the play-in games. Clemson was vastly better in both regards and got left out
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I didn’t just focus on SOS. They lost to GTech and WF, which were bad losses. I believe they were 3-9 in quadrant one games. I believe Syracuse was the only other team with such a record, but they won at Duke and not sure the difference in quadrant two wins.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I didn’t just focus on SOS. They lost to GTech and WF, which were bad losses. I believe they were 3-9 in quadrant one games. I believe Syracuse was the only other team with such a record, but they won at Duke and not sure the difference in quadrant two wins.
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Clemson 1-10
NC state 3-9
Syracuse 3-9
Ohio state 4-10
St. John's 5-7
 
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VolGee4 said:
Clemson didn’t make it. St. John’s has a better Q1 record even though their NET is worse.
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Yep

From my view I think the NET is very very flawed. I followed floridas net all
Year and it was around 30 even when they had zero good wins. You should have to win a game or two to get that high
 
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