Fire Pete Carroll!!!

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After losing to Cal and UCLA the past two years it is not exactly a winner to argue that SC competes in a weak conference.
 
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sjt18 said:
I would virtually guarantee that Fulmer and pretty much all SEC coaches would have dominated the Pac10 to about the same degree as Carroll has with USC's talent.

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So now you want the guy fired because he's not meeting the expectations that his accomplishments allowed you to have, right?
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These two statements tell me all need to know and why it would be senseless to argue with you.
 
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jakez4ut said:
if you're one that believes that USC wouldn't be a top dog in any other conf., including the SEC, you are as dellusional as the people you accuse of it as well.
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USC would compete with UF, LSU, Aub, etc at the top of the SEC. OSU is direct evidence that they would NOT be a guaranteed top dog.

i'm not going to say the Pac 10 is as strong as some other conf., but there's zero doubt in my mind that USC would be competing at conf. championship levels in any conf. they palyed in.
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I didn't say any different, did I? But realistically, they don't have to bring their A game every week to win most of the time in the Pac10. It is still an "anomaly" when they fail to bring their A game and a Pac10 team plays far enough over their heads to beat them.

USC in any given year has maybe two or three teams with the talent to make up a 2nd tier. They alone are first tier. Like Nebraska of old, they can get up for those games then develop talent in most of the rest of their conference schedule. Their most dangerous games are undermanned teams that get breaks and play over their heads in games when USC plays subpar.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yep. EXACTLY like the drubbing of UGA last year.
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No, closer to the Cal game last year.

sjt18 said:
Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be evaluated and fired... I AM saying that the evaluation should be done in proper perspective.
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That's your problem. There's never enough "perspective" for you. It's been nine seasons of NOTHING since 1998, with another on the way. That's more than enough "perspective" on Fulmer's coaching.
 
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sjt18 said:
BTW, I'm in no way saying that Fulmer shouldn't be dealt with and fired after the results of the season are in. I am saying that the reasoning or lack thereof that the first two games of this season are necessarily the tipping point doesn't hold water. Better teams lose to bad teams. That's college football. Teams shoot themselves in the foot. That's also college football.

I have consistently said that Fulmer should have to improve year over year. That's a high hill to climb now but all the non-sense going on right now is doing nothing but hurting the program.
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Try the last 10 years. It's not two games.

BTW BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
 
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awebb7 said:
The "norm" this season is to lose. 1-2 means it is normal for us to not win games.

Last year? When we lost to Cal, UF, Bama and LSU?
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And beat UGA badly... a team many thought should be playing for the NC. They beat Ark who had beaten LSU. LSU needed a "lucky" pick 6 to beat them.

06? When we lost to UF,
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By 1 pt, the national champ's toughest win of the year.
LSU, Ark
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With a back-up QB
and Penn State?
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... I'll give you that one. It was a classic choke.

Your argument is still holding about as much water as a sieve.
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Yeah... except the lame responses have been like shooting fish in a barrel.

Read again... I'm not saying Fulmer shouldn't be fired. I'm saying that it ain't happening now... and now isn't the time to talk about or consider it. It does absolutely NO good and can do significant harm to recruiting.

BTW, this is why I wrote here that I "hated" Fulmer's new contract. All carrots, no sticks. CPF seems to respond to the threat of sticks.
 
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sjt18 said:
And beat UGA badly... a team many thought should be playing for the NC. They beat Ark who had beaten LSU. LSU needed a "lucky" pick 6 to beat them.

By 1 pt, the national champ's toughest win of the year. With a back-up QB ... I'll give you that one. It was a classic choke.


Yeah... except the lame responses have been like shooting fish in a barrel.

Read again... I'm not saying Fulmer shouldn't be fired. I'm saying that it ain't happening now... and now isn't the time to talk about or consider it. It does absolutely NO good and can do significant harm to recruiting.

BTW, this is why I wrote here that I "hated" Fulmer's new contract. All carrots, no sticks. CPF seems to respond to the threat of sticks.
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Failing to win games does much worse.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
These two statements tell me all need to know and why it would be senseless to argue with you.
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Yes... your response tells me that you can't answer the two statements. Carroll is a very, very good coach. In case you hadn't noticed... there aren't any bad coaches left in the SEC. They're ALL good and have accomplishments to prove it.

The second statement is simply fact. He led UT to its highest level of success since Neyland. His recent inability to reach that level is the basis on which people are demanding he be fired.

That may even be a legitimate basis in December when we're looking back on the full picture. Fulmer will NOT be fired before that point and all the talk about it does nothing but harm the program's image and thus recruiting. UT probably lost some of the players it needs to compete last Saturday due to the fans.
 
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sjt18 said:
USC would compete with UF, LSU, Aub, etc at the top of the SEC. OSU is direct evidence that they would NOT be a guaranteed top dog.


I didn't say any different, did I? But realistically, they don't have to bring their A game every week to win most of the time in the Pac10. It is still an "anomaly" when they fail to bring their A game and a Pac10 team plays far enough over their heads to beat them.

USC in any given year has maybe two or three teams with the talent to make up a 2nd tier. They alone are first tier. Like Nebraska of old, they can get up for those games then develop talent in most of the rest of their conference schedule. Their most dangerous games are undermanned teams that get breaks and play over their heads in games when USC plays subpar.
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no, but your post has the implication that the reason USC will be in the BCS again this year is solely because they play in the Pac 10, which isn't true. they are competing that kind of level, regardless of what conf. they play in.

as for last night, USC has had penchant for doing this most years. yet it hasn't prevented them from winning the conf. anyway and winning BCS bowl games. so while it's not a guarantee, who's going to bet against USC winning the Pac 10 despite last night?

exactly.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes... your response tells me that you can't answer the two statements. Carroll is a very, very good coach. In case you hadn't noticed... there aren't any bad coaches left in the SEC. They're ALL good and have accomplishments to prove it.

The second statement is simply fact. He led UT to its highest level of success since Neyland. His recent inability to reach that level is the basis on which people are demanding he be fired.

That may even be a legitimate basis in December when we're looking back on the full picture. Fulmer will NOT be fired before that point and all the talk about it does nothing but harm the program's image and thus recruiting. UT probably lost some of the players it needs to compete last Saturday due to the fans.
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Was Neyland the last coach at UT to win the SEC?

Nobody is calling for national titles but SEC titles.

That is where you are terribly wrong it's about SEC titles and CPF hasn't produced.
 
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I would not be a bit surprised if, in the end, So Cal is playing Okla for the NC, and wins it.

An early loss, followed by expected domination, should equal a legitimate shot at NC game.

Expect SoCal to be there.

GO VOLS beat auburn and turn this season around fellas!
 
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The one thing I took away from the game is something I've been harping on since I played the game. In the end it's really the players that win the games. Oh sure, good coaching matters, especially when you're talking about not just winning but winning consistently. But I saw USC, especially on D, do a whole bunch of the things our players do that here is wholly attributed to crappy coaching. So here's a team that is supposed to be coached by a MUCH better staff than ours with enough Rivals stars to be considered a galaxy getting beat by a 1-2 team that was beaten by Stanford and absolutely dismantled by Penn State.

I'm not here to lionize or demonize any coach or even the position of coaching. I would however like to point out that sometimes the players for one team might just simply out-play their opponent. I swear I've read comments on here and elsewhere that all but take the players off the field and put any win or loss onto the sideline. I just don't buy it and I think last night was a good example.
 
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interestingly, when you go back over the last 7 years of Majors and the first 7 years of Fulmer, TN won 5 SEC titles.

that's 5 titles from 1985 to 1998. i wonder how the expectations are all the sudden out of whack?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes... your response tells me that you can't answer the two statements. Carroll is a very, very good coach. In case you hadn't noticed... there aren't any bad coaches left in the SEC. They're ALL good and have accomplishments to prove it.

The second statement is simply fact. He led UT to its highest level of success since Neyland. His recent inability to reach that level is the basis on which people are demanding he be fired.

That may even be a legitimate basis in December when we're looking back on the full picture. Fulmer will NOT be fired before that point and all the talk about it does nothing but harm the program's image and thus recruiting. UT probably lost some of the players it needs to compete last Saturday due to the fans.
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"Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference"
 
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EZE said:
Remember the days when it was BIG news every time UT lost a game, no matter who it played?
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Actually, I don't remember that issue... I have been a devoted UT Fan since the early 60s and I don't remember the "Big News evertime UT lost". In fact after about 57 through 63 the program was on a downhill slide. The Doug Dickie years brought it back to respectability but I can't say dominance. The Bobby Majors years saw the program slide again. The Johnny Majors years wallowed until the mid eighties and then made good improvement but nothing that would make "Big News everytime UT lost". Coach Fulmer took over and the program began to improve with a apex achieve in 1998.

The dominance people talk about with UT football was the late 30's, early 40's and the again in early 50's. and again in the late 90s.

Tennessee Football has been a natiionally respected program almost continuously since the early 30's.
 
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gcb/hoosiervol said:
I would not be a bit surprised if, in the end, So Cal is playing Okla for the NC, and wins it.
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With UCLA on their schedule and losing games and Tennessee possibly going 7-5/6-6, that can't help their SOS rankings if they are going up against a one loss UGA, UF, LSU or Bama...
 
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KYVolFan said:
Actually, I don't remember that issue... I have been a devoted UT Fan since the early 60s and I don't remember the "Big News evertime UT lost". In fact after about 57 through 63 the program was on a downhill slide. The Doug Dickie years brought it back to respectability but I can't say dominance. The Bobby Majors years saw the program slide again. The Johnny Majors years wallowed until the mid eighties and then made good improvement but nothing that would make "Big News everytime UT lost". Coach Fulmer took over and the program began to improve with a apex achieve in 1998.

The dominance people talk about with UT football was the late 30's, early 40's and the again in early 50's. and again in the late 90s.

Tennessee Football has been a natiionally respected program almost continuously since the early 30's.
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I missed those years. Please enlighten me.
 
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sjt18 said:
This man just lost to a team that is probably worse than UCLA with a team more talented than UT... even when benefitting from the weak Pac10 competition.

The man should be fired right away.

BTW: This is a UT thread... not an NCAA thread.
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Even though I hate USC. You're an idiot if you beleive in this thread.
 
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I assume the point of this thread is that somehow calling for Pete Carroll's firing is the equivalent of calling for Fulmer's firing. Since Pete Carroll started at USC in 2001 he has 6 conference championships, two national championships, no losing seasons, and an 84% winning percentage. In that same timeframe, Fulmer has no championships of any kind, a losing season, and a 69% winning pct. Just imagine if UTK had replaced Fulmer with Carroll after the 2000 season.

edit: I originally had 66% for CPF but forgot to include the 2001 season. After adjustment it is 69%.
 
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"UCLA is the only team on that list that should be classified as truly crappy."

Cal last year went 6-6 and lost to a lower-tier mid-major in the Armed Forces Bowl. Pretty crappy if you ask me. Vandy did not even go to a bowl the year it beat UT. again, sounds crappy to me. And, if I did the research, many of the rest wouldn't be considered world beaters, either.

But, if you still think Foolmer is great, your definition of crappy must be 1-10.

Fulmer was great in the 90s, but he got complacent after the title, didn't recognize the slow erosion of the program in the early 00s, and it is now too late for him to resurrect it. The man lost his touch long ago -- it ain't magically coming back.
 
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