When media reports it's opinions instead of just the news, the advertisers have every right to pull their support. This SJW mentality that has taken over the media has turned it into a joke, if more advertisers would do the same as Flying J maybe a little bit of integrity may creep back in.
Maybe if he goes to jail sometime soon Peyton Manning could take over the BrownsHaslam isn't pulling out of his ad agreement because of ESPN's politics. He's butthurt over a long-form article that detailed the clusterf*** that is his professional football franchise. And none of those details have been refuted, so Haslam is basically pissed that the extent of the Browns' dysfunction was made public.
Maybe if he goes to jail sometime soon Peyton Manning could take over the Browns
Fraud like adding extra money to gas charges for truckers who use company credit cards was one of the big things I've read went on.Just curious, after all the courtroom drama to date, what did he do to earn jail time? I have not spent a lot of time going over the details, but my IMPRESSIONS are that folks that he put in senior positions diverted money meant to go to his customers as rewards to THEIR own pockets. in theory would not increase the profitability of his company at all and certainly would not improve his position or his bank balance. Did I miss some story lines or theories? I do stop at his places but when local prefer the other local based company for my gas, snacks, and soft drinks.
Just curious, after all the courtroom drama to date, what did he do to earn jail time? I have not spent a lot of time going over the details, but my IMPRESSIONS are that folks that he put in senior positions diverted money meant to go to his customers as rewards to THEIR own pockets. in theory would not increase the profitability of his company at all and certainly would not improve his position or his bank balance. Did I miss some story lines or theories? I do stop at his places but when local prefer the other local based company for my gas, snacks, and soft drinks.
I took an advertising class in college in SoCal back in the day. The guy teaching it had just been named the President of Marketing USA for a laughingly weird Korean company called Hyundai that was going to sell Korean cars in the USA. Few in our class thought he would ever do anything but teach. One of the very first things he asked by having us show hands, was how many of us thought we were heavily influenced by advertising across all the forms of media. I don't recall seeing a single hand raised. He then asked the question in a different way. How many of you believe Ford, GM, Quaker Oats, Kelloggs, Levis, Nike, Budweiser, and hundreds of other companies spend hundreds of billions of dollars per year on something that does not influence you at all? Perhaps one hard core hand went up but it was not mine. That you ask the query do television commercials work, the verdict on that query via data has been and remains in place today and it is a decided yes. That one believes it or not makes no difference at all to their being affected, highly affected.
IIRC he is heard on audio tape recording where the scheme was discussed so he was knowledgeable of the conspiracy to defraud:
" In short, his words seem to indicate awareness of the scheme to defraud customers by promising them a certain rebate, and then failing to honor it. "
Jury in fraud case hears Jimmy Haslam’s voice on secretly-recorded tape
While the PFJ rebates and the ESPN article are probably linked, they are two separate issues IMO. The ESPN article revolved around the inept management of the Browns. The PFJ issue was PFJ not issuing rebates for fuel purchases.The Pilot Flying J board also paid Mark Hazelwood $40 million dollars, and covered his legal fees both during his trial, and afterwards as he is now appealing the conviction and 12-year sentence; basically he's being paid to accept responsibility for the fraud.
While the PFJ rebates and the ESPN article are probably linked, they are two separate issues IMO. The ESPN article revolved around the inept management of the Browns. The PFJ issue was PFJ not issuing rebates for fuel purchases.
Isn't this correct?
@BeardedVol And if I remember correctly from OP article (which I read when the thread was started), the primary points being touched are his FOOTBALL management skills or lack thereof?Correct PFJ was shortchanging trucking companies on agreed upon rebates by underpaying them. Jimmy has claimed to know nothing of the fraud that went on for years even though there is audio of him in meetings when those charged were going over the scheme. Goodell basically said that since Jimmy wasn't officially charged, there'd be no NFL consequences.
The Pilot Flying J board also paid Mark Hazelwood $40 million dollars, and covered his legal fees both during his trial, and afterwards as he is now appealing the conviction and 12-year sentence; basically he's being paid to accept responsibility for the fraud.
Not @BeardedVol (although a fellow AVLer), but I do think that if there is some evidence of questionable activity in one business area (Pilot/Flying J), it is certainly justifiable to look at how other businesses (the Browns) are managed.@BeardedVol And if I remember correctly from OP article (which I read when the thread was started), the primary points being touched are his FOOTBALL management skills or lack thereof?
When media reports it's opinions instead of just the news, the advertisers have every right to pull their support. This SJW mentality that has taken over the media has turned it into a joke, if more advertisers would do the same as Flying J maybe a little bit of integrity may creep back in.
Why? His supposed mismanagement (has been convicted.....yet) of PFJ (monetary) has nothing to do with his management of the Browns (can't run a football team, no financial complaints) and donations to UT (giving $$ away, no proven coercion of admin, hell of a lot of $$ given to the University).Not @BeardedVol (although a fellow AVLer), but I do think that if there is some evidence of questionable activity in one business area (Pilot/Flying J), it is certainly justifiable to look at how other businesses (the Browns) are managed.
I don't think that these various activities (including UT sports) can be isolated from one another. You have to ask if there is a pattern of behavior that affects them all.
Please link ESPN involvement with these games. I knew the shwam was old, but dang......I agree that I like to keep my sports reporting about sports and my sports events about sports. Most of us do.
Politics intersecting with sports has been a thing going back to the earliest organized events in Greece, maybe even earlier. There's little chance of separating the two or insulating one from the other. We've had 3000+ years to solve this dilemma and have never gotten a handle on it.
Why? His supposed mismanagement (has been convicted.....yet) of PFJ (monetary) has nothing to do with his management of the Browns (can't run a football team, no financial complaints) and donations to UT (giving $$ away, no proven coercion of admin, hell of a lot of $$ given to the University).
Just because you suck at one marriage doesn't mean you will suck at the next one.
I'm not arguing that, however, it's supposition and until proven should remain that way. He is inept as an owner. He wants badly to be Jerry Jones and he isn't.If you are willing to commit fraud in in business A, I'd wager that you'd also be willing to commit fraud in business B. With the way he meddle in the Browns front office, there's no way that Jimmy wasn't aware of the scam that was netting them millions a year in fraudulent revenew.