Tie breakers and margin of victory

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esarmstrong

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Okay, so we lost to Kentucky by 17 at their place and they lost to us by 19 today. Should Tennessee and Kentucky finish in a tie (either for first or second), does point differential figure in as a tie breaker somewhere for seeding purposes in the SEC tournament? I'll hang up and listen to your comments.
 
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esarmstrong said:
Okay, so we lost to Kentucky by 17 at their place and they lost to us by 19 today. Should Tennessee and Kentucky finish in a tie (either for first or second), does point differential figure in as a tie breaker somewhere for seeding purposes in the SEC tournament? I'll hang up and listen to your comments.
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no
 
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Just took a peek at the SEC website. Looks like, since we both lost to LSU, if were to be in a two-way tie with the cats, it would be a damn coin flip. That seem's so stupid to just flip a coin for seeding after you get to the third level of tie breakers. Why not something like, whose ranked higher.
 
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esarmstrong said:
Just took a peek at the SEC website. Looks like, since we both lost to LSU, if were to be in a two-way tie with the cats, it would be a damn coin flip. That seem's so stupid to just flip a coin for seeding after you get to the third level of tie breakers. Why not something like, whose ranked higher.
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I get it don't matter where we are the 2 or 3 seed in the tourney since we will still have to play each other in semis if we all get there. I don't see LSU losing again so they would be the 1 seed it seems.
 
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sccshortstop said:
I get it don't matter where we are the 2 or 3 seed in the tourney since we will still have to play each other in semis if we all get there. I don't see LSU losing again so they would be the 1 seed it seems.
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sccshortstop said:
I get it don't matter where we are the 2 or 3 seed in the tourney since we will still have to play each other in semis if we all get there. I don't see LSU losing again so they would be the 1 seed it seems.
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lsu has to go to fla and fla is playing a lot better now
 
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Coin flip, that’s ludicrous,
Should be Rock Paper Scissors.
 
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sccshortstop said:
I get it don't matter where we are the 2 or 3 seed in the tourney since we will still have to play each other in semis if we all get there. I don't see LSU losing again so they would be the 1 seed it seems.
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It matters because a 2 seed plays potentially easier (lower seeded) opponents than a 3 seed getting to that game.
 
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LittleCat said:
When determining the sec regular season champion why would you factor non-sec games in? Some teams play much schedules.
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I don’t necessarily feel it should be a factor. But it certainly should come into play before a coin flip.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I don’t necessarily feel it should be a factor. But it certainly should come into play before a coin flip.
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Do something like overall point differential or something though. Similar to how goal difference is used in soccer.
 
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Home record against conference opponents should be considered before they flip a freaking coin.
 
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LittleCat said:
When determining the sec regular season champion why would you factor non-sec games in? Some teams play much schedules.
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This is not how a champion is determined, it's how seeding ties are broken. Big difference. I understand there are no tie breakers in determining the regular season title. If Kentucky, Tennessee and LSU have the same record in league, then they would all three share the title.
 
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esarmstrong said:
This is not how a champion is determined, it's how seeding ties are broken. Big difference. I understand there are no tie breakers in determining the regular season title. If Kentucky, Tennessee and LSU have the same record in league, then they would all three share the title.
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Ah, yes that is correct. Good job correcting me, thanks!
 
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Not sure where OP got his info but it’s not a coin flip, it would be head to head record in the case of a 2 team tie...LSU beat us so they would get the 1 seed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Also not true, they then go to record against #1 seed, #2 seed, 3,4,5 etc etc...if there is still a tie THEN they go to a coin flip.
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My information came directly from the SEC website and what I said was that the coin flip is the third level of tie breaker. First tier, we split season series; Second tier, how each did against the one seed, etc (we both lost to LSU). Coin flip decides it if we got to third tier of tie breakers. I think you more or less verified this with your posts. If the season ended today, I guess we would be the two because Alabama beat Kentucky, but in order for us to be tied with Kentucky, we would need to lose again, either to MSU or Auburn. So it is not all together clear at this juncture who would be the two seed.

If everyone (the top three) wins out, we are the two seed.
 
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