OLine was better in 2018 vs 2017

[k-town_king]

You are a liar. I don't say that to offend you so much as a just a statement of your behavior. You first lie to yourself... then you filter everything else through that deception and judge others by it.

I don't have "disdain" for JG. I have a pretty significant and growing dislike for you which is pretty uncommon for me. I like most people and am able to separate disagreement from the person themselves. But JG is a flawed football player. I hope he gets better. I want him to be successful. I wish he were now as perfect as you think he is. He simply isn't.

I AM a Vol fan. You pretty obviously are not. You are the fan of a single player... and that's where our differences begin.

So the article backed up what you said?

Or did you try to fit it to your usual narrative?

It clearly laid the blame on the line and whiffed blocks as I have been saying all along.

The article and I both agree JG could feel pressure better.

That is completely different from " inability to make good reads or decisions."

The numbers nor the article support your assertion.

No one said he is perfect. No need to keep making things up though.

 

[sjt18]

So the article backed up what you said?

In essence it did... it also didn't contradict what I said... and I also did not claim that it said exactly what I have said.

Or did you try to fit it to your usual narrative?

My narrative is UT winning football games. That's the only "narrative" I have or ever have. To do that, UT needs an effective QB and OL. Last year, it had neither.

It clearly laid the blame on the line and whiffed blocks as I have been saying all along.

No. Your eyes just gloss over when someone even hints at JG bearing blame.

The article and I both agree JG could feel pressure better.[

That's the closest I've ever seen you to admitting that JG needed to improve anything.

That is completely different from " inability to make good reads or decisions."

But only in your delusional imagination is it contradictory. Them not saying it... does not make it untrue nor does it mean the author might not agree with it.

The numbers nor the article support your assertion.

Yeah. The "numbers" support my assertion. JG's inability to make the right reads and decisions have contributed to UT's anemic O since he became the starter.

No one said he is perfect. No need to keep making things up though.

No. You just continually deny specific and legitimate criticisms and blame someone else for everything. So while you don't use the actual words... you say it.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

You are a liar. I don't say that to offend you so much as a just a statement of your behavior. You first lie to yourself... then you filter everything else through that deception and judge others by it.

I don't have "disdain" for JG. I have a pretty significant and growing dislike for you which is pretty uncommon for me. I like most people and am able to separate disagreement from the person themselves. But JG is a flawed football player. I hope he gets better. I want him to be successful. I wish he were now as perfect as you think he is. He simply isn't.

I AM a Vol fan. You pretty obviously are not. You are the fan of a single player... and that's where our differences begin.

I haven't saw anyone say JG is perfect. Ever. Everyone defending JG has in some shape, form or fashion stated that he has flaws and needs to work on things.
JG is nowhere near as bad as you people claim. Then you come out acting like we said he is perfect and the best QB ever. You're putting words into our mouths.
We simply think JG is a good QB. Much better than you people claim.
Stop acting like we think he is perfect. We ****ing don't. He clearly needs to improve but you guys bash him hard then when someone defends him you accuse us of saying **** we didnt say.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

In essence it did... it also didn't contradict what I said... and I also did not claim that it said exactly what I have said.

My narrative is UT winning football games. That's the only "narrative" I have or ever have. To do that, UT needs an effective QB and OL. Last year, it had neither.

No. Your eyes just gloss over when someone even hints at JG bearing blame.

That's the closest I've ever seen you to admitting that JG needed to improve anything.

But only in your delusional imagination is it contradictory. Them not saying it... does not make it untrue nor does it mean the author might not agree with it.

Yeah. The "numbers" support my assertion. JG's inability to make the right reads and decisions have contributed to UT's anemic O since he became the starter.


No. You just continually deny specific and legitimate criticisms and blame someone else for everything. So while you don't use the actual words... you say it.

I have saw K-town state quite often that JG has things he needs to improve upon.
I have never saw K-town say "JG is perfect! Best QB ever!"
Yet you keep claiming we say he is perfect.
Btw, the article does in fact heavily imply that almost all of it was because of OL/RB/TE blocking.
JG certainly made some mistakes and needs to improve but whoever wrote that article clearly lays most of the blame on the OL.

 

[sjt18]

I haven't saw anyone say JG is perfect. Ever. Everyone defending JG has in some shape, form or fashion stated that he has flaws and needs to work on things.
JG is nowhere near as bad as you people claim. Then you come out acting like we said he is perfect and the best QB ever. You're putting words into our mouths.
We simply think JG is a good QB. Much better than you people claim.
Stop acting like we think he is perfect. We ****ing don't. He clearly needs to improve but you guys bash him hard then when someone defends him you accuse us of saying **** we didnt say.

K-town will say "he isn't perfect" then lay all the blame for everything on everyone except the LEADER of the offense. In the abstract, he'll say he isn't perfect... in the concrete he'll deny every criticism.

He does much like you have here.

JG doesn't read D's well. JG is too slow making decisions with the ball. He has a great, accurate arm. He is tough. But he's nowhere near as good as folks like you think at this point. He's not hard to defend. If he were, UT would be scoring more points.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

K-town will say "he isn't perfect" then lay all the blame for everything on everyone except the LEADER of the offense. In the abstract, he'll say he isn't perfect... in the concrete he'll deny every criticism.

He does much like you have here.

JG doesn't read D's well. JG is too slow making decisions with the ball. He has a great, accurate arm. He is tough. But he's nowhere near as good as folks like you think at this point. He's not hard to defend. If he were, UT would be scoring more points.

I said he needs to improve. Thats my short way of saying he needs to improve on all the things you just said. He is nowhere near as good as I think? You don't even know how good I think he is. You use alot of assumptions but whatever.

 

[mccrackb]

I said he needs to improve. Thats my short way of saying he needs to improve on all the things you just said. He is nowhere near as good as I think? You don't even know how good I think he is. You use alot of assumptions but whatever.

He can’t read a defense, slow as molasses, and doesn’t use the middle of the field. The last deficiency may be because the coaches knew he would throw more picks if he threw down the middle. Really, the only throw he consistently threw well was the back shoulder (semi hail marry). I still envision his only time escaping the pocket and he dove head first in the field of play with no one close to him. He is pretty tough though.

 

[photovol]

Big Orange Oline?

 

[BeardedVol]

I said he needs to improve. Thats my short way of saying he needs to improve on all the things you just said. He is nowhere near as good as I think? You don't even know how good I think he is. You use alot of assumptions but whatever.

Shurmur is not better than JG.

Yeah, don't think anyone can actually take your opinion of QB play/ability with much more than a passing laugh given the willing suspension of disbelief you tend to display.

 

[rdk4121]

We had the worst stuff rate in the history of the stat last year at 32%, with the next closest being 26%. For context, that means 1 out of 3 rush attempts were stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[sjt18]

I said he needs to improve. Thats my short way of saying he needs to improve on all the things you just said. He is nowhere near as good as I think? You don't even know how good I think he is. You use alot of assumptions but whatever.

Oh the hypocrisy... That was a direct response to YOUR assumption about how good others think he is...

 

[sjt18]

Nothing about the b.s. you made up.



Your whole shtick is getting sadder and sadder. Just such obvious disdain for the qb of the team you claim to be a fan of.

"Beyond that, simplifying things for Guarantano by having fewer receiving options or working only a portion of the field can allow him to make quick decisions to keep him from getting drilled."

Translation: Does not effectively read the field. Does not get the ball out quickly enough.

The author is definitely shaded to your bias... but even then he dropped this in.

 

[k-town_king]

"Beyond that, simplifying things for Guarantano by having fewer receiving options or working only a portion of the field can allow him to make quick decisions to keep him from getting drilled."

Translation: Does not effectively read the field. Does not get the ball out quickly enough.

The author is definitely shaded to your bias... but even then he dropped this in.

The writer blamed the oline and blocking.

Translation is they need to get the ball out quicker due to the things previously mentioned. Line, backs, and tights ends missing assignments. Which in turn got JG drilled.

They dont want that to happen. They are trying to cover the blocking deficiencies. Not your made up b.s. they never said anything about.

You would rather lie to fit your agenda though.

Feel pressure is after the snap and the rush is already on. He needs to improve on that.

Making reads and decisions are pre snap and pre rush arriving. Different things than feeling pressure.

It is literally impossible for a qb to not be able to read a d or make good decisions and have the fewest ints in the SEC with a healthy ypa, qb rating, and completion percentage.



At least make some sense when you lie.

 

[sjt18]

The writer blamed the oline and blocking.

Translation is they need to get the ball out quicker due to the things previously mentioned. Line, backs, and tights ends missing assignments. Which in turn got JG drilled.

They dont want that to happen. They are trying to cover the blocking deficiencies. Not your made up b.s. they never said anything about.

You would rather lie to fit your agenda though.

Feel pressure is after the snap and the rush is already on. He needs to improve on that.

Making reads and decisions are pre snap and pre rush arriving. Different things than feeling pressure.





At least make some sense when you lie.

No lie. Just an opinion based on the facts contrary to your delusion based on your man crush.

My agenda is for UT to get good OL play, good QB play, good overall play... and win games. That's all. I don't "hate" JG. Don't even dislike him. I just recognize his weaknesses are a significant part of what caused the O not to be effective.

The "lie" I mentioned earlier wasn't our difference of opinion but rather your ridiculous projections that disagreeing with YOU means I somehow have "disdain" for JG. That's a lie. And you need to perpetuate that lie apparently to build a wall around your delusion. If you admit I'm not "lying"... you might have to face some truths that you'd rather avoid. You've proven very well that you aren't going to do that.


JG is part of the problem. QB's regardless of what you or the author want to believe should never count on more than 2.5 seconds in the pocket. Great if you get it... but don't count on it. JG VERY frequently stands and "thinks". He simply takes too long and anyone honest when watching him would agree.

There are blocking deficiencies. Reasonable... rational people can agree to that while also recognizing that JG is a significant part of the problem.

It is literally impossible for a qb to not be able to read a d or make good decisions and have the fewest ints in the SEC with a healthy ypa, qb rating, and completion percentage.

No. It "literally" isn't. Good decisions lead to points... sustained drives... 1st down completions rather than dump downs for 3 yards on 3rd and 9.... You can pad stats while preventing a QB from having the freedom to take risks. That's what 2 consecutive staffs have done.

Most of the things the article suggests for helping JG with reads... fewer routes to read, cutting the field, et al... have already been tried. Once a QB can't get past those things... he becomes easy to defend... like JG is.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Yeah, don't think anyone can actually take your opinion of QB play/ability with much more than a passing laugh given the willing suspension of disbelief you tend to display.

I still don't think Shurmur is better than JG.
Your opinion on QB play/ability amounts to the same damn value as mine. Yours isn't any more or less valid.
None of this even matters, honestly. JG is gonna be the starter for the remainder of his time here. The only way JG doesn't start is due to injury.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Oh the hypocrisy... That was a direct response to YOUR assumption about how good others think he is...

.......Okay.

 

[JonReevesVol]

We had the worst stuff rate in the history of the stat last year at 32%, with the next closest being 26%. For context, that means 1 out of 3 rush attempts were stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage.

The writer blamed the oline and blocking.

Translation is they need to get the ball out quicker due to the things previously mentioned. Line, backs, and tights ends missing assignments. Which in turn got JG drilled.

They dont want that to happen. They are trying to cover the blocking deficiencies. Not your made up b.s. they never said anything about.

You would rather lie to fit your agenda though.

Feel pressure is after the snap and the rush is already on. He needs to improve on that.

Making reads and decisions are pre snap and pre rush arriving. Different things than feeling pressure.

It is literally impossible for a qb to not be able to read a d or make good decisions and have the fewest ints in the SEC with a healthy ypa, qb rating, and completion percentage.



At least make some sense when you lie.

I didn't realize the offensive line threw the ball.

last time I checked our QB does that.

"fewest INTS in the SEC"

Example: Tyrod Taylor had a great TD - INT ratio in the NFL for the bills (20-6 / 17-6 / 14-4) and was traded because he isn't a good quarterback and didn't produce enough for the offense.

JG is one of the worst QBs in the NCAA, there is a reason our coaches aren't confident with JG throwing for more than 5 yards at a time. JG is a checkdown machine and under-throws most of his deep passes.

The coaches take the ball out of his hand because he isn't skilled enough to win a game or execute against good defenses (look at the Florida game).

We (run/screen) on every 3rd and long because JG can't execute and our coaches know that. Teams see on film that JG is not good and has zero pocket awareness and game plan to destroy his pitiful skill set.

JG is a career game manager at best and your statistics only further prove this fact.

The only way this team is going to win with this QB is to improve on defense.

 

[NeverWe'llSever]

Rush defense was terrible all year long in 2018, offensive linemen that are 270lbs on a good day can't open holes against even mediocre Dlines. Pass-blocking improved over the season, but was nowhere near where it will need to be to actually be considered consistently "good".

Rush defense improved VASTLY in 2018.

2017: 3015 yards allowed, 251 yards per game, 29 rushing touchdowns allowed, opposing RB’s averaged 5.4 yards per carry.

2018: 1862 yards allowed, 155 yards per game, 20 rushing touchdowns allowed, opposing RB’s averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

Yeah. I think we’re gonna have a nasty defense in a couple years.

 

[kbear01]

When you lack the ass and ball sack to move the line of scrimmage, teams load up on you, on 3rd and long. Agreed, 270 lb linemen are a bad idea. 270 lb linemen who whiff on blocks, are a catastrophe. Looking forward to, at the very least, eventually looking like an SEC O-Line (6'5"+320 lbs+), in the near future. #toothintowin

And yes, when CJP rights this sinking ship, and we have back to back relevant seasons, Bama will come calling. Especially if we beat them, at some point. I think we can honestly close the door on Bama stealing Dabo, from Clemson. He's thoroughly embedded, in a winning situation. He's there for another 10 years, at least.