Trump to sign national security funding bill, then declare State of Emergency

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What Trump is doing here sets a very dangerous precedent.

Imagine when a Democrat takes control of the Presidency. Pelosi is already threatening a "national emergency " declaration as it relates to guns. However, a future Democrat could also apply this same mentality to climate change and consider it a "national emergency".

As a matter if fact, any President could justify any inordinate amount of spending by calling it a "national emergency ".

Bad move by Trump that will backfire on Republicans in the future.
 
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Matt2496 said:
What Trump is doing here sets a very dangerous precedent.

Imagine when a Democrat takes control of the Presidency. Pelosi is already threatening a "national emergency " declaration as it relates to guns. However, a future Democrat could also apply this same mentality to climate change and consider it a "national emergency".

As a matter if fact, any President could justify any inordinate amount of spending by calling it a "national emergency ".

Bad move by Trump that will backfire on Republicans in the future.
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Honestly they would attempt those things regardless of what Trump is doing today. However Trump isn’t circumventing the constitution. And declaring a national emergency to what is supposed to be a global problem doesn’t make much sense. Securing our borders to deter illegal immigration and fight against drugs and human trafficking makes sense. It’s long overdue.
 
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Matt2496 said:
What Trump is doing here sets a very dangerous precedent.

Imagine when a Democrat takes control of the Presidency. Pelosi is already threatening a "national emergency " declaration as it relates to guns. However, a future Democrat could also apply this same mentality to climate change and consider it a "national emergency".

As a matter if fact, any President could justify any inordinate amount of spending by calling it a "national emergency ".

Bad move by Trump that will backfire on Republicans in the future.
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They’re not going to repeal the second amendment, Trump will have appointed at least two more judges by the end of his second term.
 
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GOP Legislators Grab More Cheap Labor, Give Democrats Policy Wins on Border Security

GOP legislators won some extra cheap labor for their donors while letting Democrats insert many anti-wall, pro-migration and anti-enforcement policy riders into the 2019 border spending package.

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“They sold out the President and their own voters because the President won’t ever get the 55 miles [of border fence] he wanted,” said Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies.

Trump “was willing to play ball with Congress and to take less than his full demand [of $5.7 billion], but even on that, they screwed him. The broader public that wants the border enforced also got the shaft in this bill,” he said.

GOP Legislators Grab More Cheap Labor, Give Democrats Policy Wins
 
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volinbham said:
Because it's a BS way to get funding and it doesn't meet the standard for "Emergency".

Just another executive power grab. The last 2 POTI expanded the power of the Executive Branch and this would keep that trend alive.

Of course Congress could stop being a whiny bisch and do their job and actually allocate the needed monies and this wouldn't be an issue and they'd maintain the current power balance.

Bad moves all around.
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Congress should not give any POTUS what he wants simply out of fear that, if they don't he'll just declare an "emergency" and bypass them.

My favorite part of this is that he's going to sign the bill and declare an emergency, then go to Mar-a-Lago.

In the emergency,

Doofus.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Congress should not give any POTUS what he wants simply out of fear that, if they don't he'll just declare an "emergency" and bypass them.

My favorite part of this is that he's going to sign the bill and declare an emergency, then go to Mar-a-Lago.

In the emergency,

Doofus.
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Which is more of an emergency? Declaring an emergency to let illegal immigrants stay or declaring an emergency to keep them out?
 
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This system is a failure. Both parties are a joke. We the people were sold out a long time ago and that's not changing.
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"Let's all pray that the president will have wisdom to sign the bill so the government doesn't shut down," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said Thursday's Senate session opened.

These people are out of their minds. Pray for it? Ef that. How bout write a bill worth signing and no divine encouragement will be necessary.
 
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Electric Orange said:
"Let's all pray that the president will have wisdom to sign the bill so the government doesn't shut down," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said Thursday's Senate session opened.

These people are out of their minds. Pray for it? Ef that. How bout write a bill worth signing and no divine encouragement will be necessary.
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That would require a government full of people that truly care about its citizens. We don’t have anything like that. Our two party system has done nothing but create division and keep us citizens at each other’s throats.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
That would require a government full of people that truly care about its citizens. We don’t have anything like that. Our two party system has done nothing but create division and keep us citizens at each other’s throats.
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I'm disgusted beyond belief. It might be time for me to just start watching happy pet videos and try to pretend it's not happening.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I'm not sure it's a good idea. 1) I don't want to set a precedent for using a state of emergency to bypass Congress. I don't want to open those floodgates. 2) Once he declares a state of emergency the lawsuits will come and an injunction will be placed.
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What the next dim pres do a state of emegency over gun violence.....or wealth inequality....
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
How many national emergencies did Obama declare? Trump will do more im sure.
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13, 11 are still active as I see it.

It seems no one cares about these national emergencies unless they are effecting America. You declare a national emergency to freeze foreigners funds, no one bats an eye.

Still don't like this one. just another case of hypocrisy, both at the DC level and here on this forum.
 
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LouderVol said:
13, 11 are still active as I see it.

It seems no one cares about these national emergencies unless they are effecting America. You declare a national emergency to freeze foreigners funds, no one bats an eye.

Still don't like this one. just another case of hypocrisy, both at the DC level and here on this forum.
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Likely no one cares because these weren't huge, public campaign promises. They also weren't being declared to make up for the complete inability to get it done within the confines of govt.
 
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utvolpj said:
Likely no one cares because these weren't huge, public campaign promises. They also weren't being declared to make up for the complete inability to get it done within the confines of govt.
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So it doesn’t matter that they declared one it’s just boils down to why or who ? Get outta here with that junk . Declaring a national emergency should ALWAYS be a big deal and should be used as I’m sure the way it was intended . You know like ...“ in case of fire break this glass “
 
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utvolpj said:
Likely no one cares because these weren't huge, public campaign promises. They also weren't being declared to make up for the complete inability to get it done within the confines of govt.
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Yeah, because calling it a "humanitarian" emergency instead of a security issue makes it so much more plausible.
 
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0nelilreb said:
So it doesn’t matter that they declared one it’s just boils down to why or who ? Get outta here with that junk . Declaring a national emergency should ALWAYS be a big deal and should be used as I’m sure the way it was intended . You know like ...“ in case of fire break this glass “
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The details absolutely matter. Using it to circumvent the system because you spent 2 years and couldn't get your way is ridiculous. That shouldn't be supported
 
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utvolpj said:
The details absolutely matter. Using it to circumvent the system because you spent 2 years and couldn't get your way is ridiculous. That shouldn't be supported
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Neither should using your Pen and Phone to create a dreamers act that you have zero power to create . But somehow it was done . What one is allowed to do but the other isn’t is just ridiculous . Neither should be done but since when has that mattered ?
 
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