I hope...

#151
#151
VolBeef88 said:
Hell man there were several who wanted Meyer gone from Florida last year and several who were clammering for Saban to be gone after last eyar at bammer especially after the ULM game. But several is not what I thought you meant. If you want a coach that will have everyone on their side then you will want all of your life.
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The cry was pretty loud, my friend. Nowhere near these proportions. At that time, however, the whole firethiscoach.com thing had just started. The Fulmer site was the first I had ever seen, and was a pretty big deal at the time before it was taken down, then put up again in another form.

My point is, whether or not you or other remember or want to admit it, there has been a larger than normal cry for his head for several years now.

Some years louder than others, of course.
 
#154
#154
BigPapaVol said:
and given that UF was our only real competition for many of his years at the helm, it was a huge problem.
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yes it was. but at the time, going thru it, that was the only team that had our number, and it wasn't like they weren't good. they wont he conf. most every year and won a national title. i don't consider it a sin to lose to that kind of team, so long as you finish the way we did most years. I did though find fault with the drastic difference in how Florida approached that game and how we approached it. they knew they were going to win. We hoped to. i always had a problem with that, and still do today.

keep in mind that the 1st half of that decade was really about beating Bama. he did that. we dont' talk about it anymore ( i have a feeling we will again though.....) but 14 years ago, beating Bama was 'the thing'.

Fulmer earned a lot of credit with a lot of people because of his ability to beat Bama, regularly.

it's really only been in the last 5-7 years that people have started to, in the type of volume we now see, really critisize the overall Fulmer package...and there's reason for that.......all the stats that have been put forth.....his records against the current crop of coaches, records against top ten, ranked opponents, bowl record etc.........

it's now being added up to what we see today.

and there's no where to really hide from it anymore.

it was one thing back in the day to lose to FL and win 10 games. it's another now to lose to FL and know that there are at least 4 other SEC teams on the schedule that can/will beat you.

times have changed.
 
#155
#155
truefan said:
So you gave him one year???? You, like Hat, aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, BPV. And like Hat I will ask you, where and when did you play/coach a major college sport?
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I'll assure you that I've played every bit as much D1 ball as you have, except I've done it in a couple of revenue generating teams sports. You did it in a non-revenue generating individual sport. Remind me again about all your relevant D1 experience?

I gave him one year because he was hired from within the staff and continued the overly conservative train of football that Majors had employed before him.
 
#156
#156
gainesvol82 said:
You're getting me confused with Fulmerites. I'm not taking issue with people wanting Fulmer gone. I'm taking issue with acting like a smug DB about that fact which was Hat's entire reason for starting the thread. He obviously needs validation that he is better than other's at being able to state the obvious in an insulting way.
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I get validation that I'm better than most in a myriad of ways. Ripping the clueless anonymously isn't even in the top 100.
 
#157
#157
jakez4ut said:
yes it was. but at the time, going thru it, that was the only team that had our number, and it wasn't like they weren't good. they wont he conf. most every year and won a national title. i don't consider it a sin to lose to that kind of team, so long as you finish the way we did most years. I did though find fault with the drastic difference in how Florida approached that game and how we approached it. they knew they were going to win. We hoped to. i always had a problem with that, and still do today.

keep in mind that the 1st half of that decade was really about beating Bama. he did that. we dont' talk about it anymore ( i have a feeling we will again though.....) but 14 years ago, beating Bama was 'the thing'.

Fulmer earned a lot of credit with a lot of people because of his ability to beat Bama, regularly.

it's really only been in the last 5-7 years that people have started to, in the type of volume we now see, really critisize the overall Fulmer package...and there's reason for that.......all the stats that have been put forth.....his records against the current crop of coaches, records against top ten, ranked opponents, bowl record etc.........

it's now being added up to what we see today.

and there's no where to really hide from it anymore.

it was one thing back in the day to lose to FL and win 10 games. it's another now to lose to FL and know that there are at least 4 other SEC teams on the schedule that can/will beat you.

times have changed.
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Nice post IMHO.
 
#160
#160
gainesvol82 said:
All I hear out of you about our football program or fans is venom and bile. If your knowledge is so extensive compared to the idiots who continue to support Fulmer then please tell us and the AD what should be done and when.
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I've been saying what should be done with the football program since I arrived here. It's to the point that I don't even bother anymore.
 
#161
#161
jakez4ut said:
i was there too. i remember it being very hot.

mine was the FL game. 31-0, them. pretty brutal. rain, wet, drunk, miserable.
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Arky in 94? Yeah, I believe that was a JP game, early in October, so still warm.Tyrone Hines returns a blcoked fg for a td. 38-20 I believe was the final, no?
 
#168
#168
BigPapaVol said:
I'll assure you that I've played every bit as much D1 ball as you have, except I've done it in a couple of revenue generating teams sports. You did it in a non-revenue generating individual sport. Remind me again about all your relevant D1 experience?

I gave him one year because he was hired from within the staff and continued the overly conservative train of football that Majors had employed before him.
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Your arrogance is getting the best of you once again. It is apparent you do not understand the "team" concept. There are NO individual sports in college, only team ones. There may be separate individual competitions, but the team always comes first. Just thought I would correct you, since it is apparent you don't know everything or at least as much as you think you do.

It must have been quite some time ago for you to have played two separate revenue generating sports. In the modern era, there are very few who compete on two teams within the same university. Especially when you are talking about D1 major colleges. I suppose it could have been football and baseball, and if that was the case, you are either Alan Cockrell or Todd Helton, which is highly unlikely.
 
#170
#170
VolBeef88 said:
And there are the Al Davis' of the world who cant hire good people anymore. There are TONS of businesses out there that do exactly the same. I think you give staff members who have done well the opportunity to correct things. CPF was the coach when the team won a national title and 2 SEC titles. He has earned the right to correct things.
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To what end?

:dunno:
 
#171
#171
orangetd88 said:
Since when were we talking about Fulmerites? I thought we were talking about those that "don't know as much as we do", aka the casual fan, the fan who just goes to the game and that's it.

Again, they open themselves up by commenting. If they don't want to have a conversation or be given a differing opinion then they shouldn't post.
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Hat's post was aimed at the Fulmerites moreso than the fans who don't know better.
 
#172
#172
truefan said:
Your arrogance is getting the best of you once again. It is apparent you do not understand the "team" concept. There are NO individual sports in college, only team ones. There may be separate individual competitions, but the team always comes first. Just thought I would correct you, since it is apparent you don't know everything or at least as much as you think you do.

It must have been quite some time ago for you to have played two separate revenue generating sports. In the modern era, there are very few who compete on two teams within the same university. Especially when you are talking about D1 major colleges. I suppose it could have been football and baseball, and if that was the case, you are either Alan Cockrell or Todd Helton, which is highly unlikely.
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I didn't go to UT, but you keep it rolling my man. It doesn't matter. It's simply esoteric to the point, especially the "team" concept drivel. I don't need D1 team athletic experience (which I do have) at any high level to understand what is happening with our program. We're not talking graduate level stuff here. Bob Knight was a collegiate bench heater and look where that got him.
 
#174
#174
truefan said:
So you gave him one year???? You, like Hat, aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, BPV. And like Hat I will ask you, where and when did you play/coach a major college sport?
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You anger issues have spilled over from the politics forum........ nice!

:eek:k:
 
#175
#175
orangetd88 said:
Well, hat WAS right, whether he went about saying it the wrong way or not.
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We've all been complaining about Fulmer for years. Do you really think that Hat should feel so smug about something that is common knowledge? That would be like me being smug over a prediction that the war in Iraq was a bad idea.
 
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