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#24,177
NorthDallas40 said:
Apparently I don’t speak drunk Mick.
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You are socially inept. Let me rephrase my statement so you can understand. IMO Stone is the type of person that might record conversations and collect damaging information against others. Hey look that is what he is being accused of.
 
#24,178
#24,178
Mick said:
You are socially inept. Let me rephrase my statement so you can understand. IMO Stone is the type of person that might record conversations and collect damaging information against others. Hey look that is what he is being accused of.
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Ah you sobered up a bit more and are now coherent. Ok sure and that lined up with my assertion of stupidest white collar criminal ever no?
 
#24,179
#24,179
NorthDallas40 said:
Ah you sobered up a bit more and are now coherent. Ok sure and that lined up with my assertion of stupidest white collar criminal ever no?
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Dude, you get on here and immediately lose you sh!t again over velo's White House Statement (sad in and of itself), go after Rocky on some wild strawman, and could not recognize someone was just talking to you so you say they're drunk.
 
#24,180
#24,180
Mick said:
Dude, you get on here and immediately lose you sh!t again over velo's White House Statement (sad in and of itself), go after Rocky on some wild strawman, and could not recognize someone was just talking to you so you say they're drunk.
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Conflate much? I guess you’re not sober yet. Get help.
 
#24,181
#24,181
Mick said:
Dude, you get on here and immediately lose you sh!t again over velo's White House Statement (sad in and of itself), go after Rocky on some wild strawman, and could not recognize someone was just talking to you so you say they're drunk.
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The daily grind of Trump justification and defense is getting increasingly difficult for ND and starting to take its toll. He sees it all slipping away but is determined to go down with the ship all the while screaming that the ship is on course and in great shape.
 
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#24,182
luthervol said:
The daily grind of Trump justification and defense is getting increasingly difficult for ND and starting to take its toll. He sees it all slipping away but is determined to go down with the ship all the while screaming that the ship is on course and in great shape.
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There really is only one direction for people like him at this point. I've been trying to figure out if it's some sort of pride or a result of over two decades of FOX news.
 
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#24,183
What if Rodger Stone knew he was going to be raided and he was the one that tipped off CNN just for the publicity ? 🤔
 
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#24,185
luthervol said:
The daily grind of Trump justification and defense is getting increasingly difficult for ND and starting to take its toll. He sees it all slipping away but is determined to go down with the ship all the while screaming that the ship is on course and in great shape.
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Mick said:
There really is only one direction for people like him at this point. I've been trying to figure out if it's some sort of pride or a result of over two decades of FOX news.
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😂😂😂 good times...
 
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#24,189
RockyTop85 said:
Well, that would explain why We’ve got Sherlocks coming out of the woodwork practically saying Mueller picked up the phone and called this CNN guy personally, but they’re the same posters who don’t credit circumstantial evidence against the Trump campaign. (And also explains the ones arguing that CNN wasn’t tipped off.)

I agree with your observation that it’s excessive. Just not sure I see it as evidence of some big conspiracy like others are saying.

A lot of the stuff people complain about happening to the Trump campaign/conspiracy staff are systemic problems. They happen to nearly everybody accused of a crime. They need to be fixed but they were largely created by the same people who voted for Trump so once he’s gone the outcry for criminal law reform will end.

Every case where I’ve seen police serve a warrant in a home looked like this one, I had the same eye roll reaction to a couple of them, but all of them seemed more reasonable at their inception than reenacting a Tom Clancy Novel to go get Roger Stone, who appears physically harmless.

Basically saying I don’t know what the internal policy is. Might be that every take down is done this way. Also not sure whether they had any legit evidence that he was planning to flee. Seems unlikely since he was given bail.
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I'll get back to this later.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well, that would explain why We’ve got Sherlocks coming out of the woodwork practically saying Mueller picked up the phone and called this CNN guy personally, but they’re the same posters who don’t credit circumstantial evidence against the Trump campaign. (And also explains the ones arguing that CNN wasn’t tipped off.)

I agree with your observation that it’s excessive. Just not sure I see it as evidence of some big conspiracy like others are saying.

A lot of the stuff people complain about happening to the Trump campaign/conspiracy staff are systemic problems. They happen to nearly everybody accused of a crime. They need to be fixed but they were largely created by the same people who voted for Trump so once he’s gone the outcry for criminal law reform will end.

Every case where I’ve seen police serve a warrant in a home looked like this one, I had the same eye roll reaction to a couple of them, but all of them seemed more reasonable at their inception than reenacting a Tom Clancy Novel to go get Roger Stone, who appears physically harmless.

Basically saying I don’t know what the internal policy is. Might be that every take down is done this way. Also not sure whether they had any legit evidence that he was planning to flee. Seems unlikely since he was given bail.
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Now that I have a laptop in front of me...

No, I do not think there was an overarching sinister conspiracy so to speak on the part of Mueller and the FBI in regards to the raid (and I dare anyone to call it anything different) on Stone's house. Completely heavy handed and unwarranted? You betcha. It's like using the nuclear warhead to kill a mosquito. That's my problem with it. Again, it could have been handled very simply by rolling up a couple of agents to his door, knocking politely, serving the warrant and having the forensic team come in immediately after. Does he look like the kind of guy who's going to put up a fight and barricade himself inside for weeks on end?

No, that raid was completely out of bounds and a power play by someone. It was a show of force for the cameras as well as to whomever was watching. This is the second time it's happened (Michael Cohen) with a seriously overpowering force arresting a suspect. One time and crap happens. Two times might not be a trend, but it certainly should raise concerns on the way these are going down. If it happens again, especially with someone who really doesn't pose a threat, something is certainly rotten in the State of Denmark. It's an overuse of force when it isn't needed.

Here's the thing on the conspiracy side of things. All the sudden CNN just happens to roll up on such a raid? There's the "conspiracy" angle. There was a leak on the Mueller team. Has to be. Public Media Enemy #1 on Trump's list and they just happened to show up at the arrest of Roger Stone? Convince me otherwise if you can but overall, I'd doubt you're going to convince me someone on his team didn't talk out of school and notify CNN it was going down.
 
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#24,193
Grand Vol said:
Now that I have a laptop in front of me...

No, I do not think there was an overarching sinister conspiracy so to speak on the part of Mueller and the FBI in regards to the raid (and I dare anyone to call it anything different) on Stone's house. Completely heavy handed and unwarranted? You betcha. It's like using the nuclear warhead to kill a mosquito. That's my problem with it. Again, it could have been handled very simply by rolling up a couple of agents to his door, knocking politely, serving the warrant and having the forensic team come in immediately after. Does he look like the kind of guy who's going to put up a fight and barricade himself inside for weeks on end?

No, that raid was completely out of bounds and a power play by someone. It was a show of force for the cameras as well as to whomever was watching. This is the second time it's happened (Michael Cohen) with a seriously overpowering force arresting a suspect. One time and crap happens. Two times might not be a trend, but it certainly should raise concerns on the way these are going down. If it happens again, especially with someone who really doesn't pose a threat, something is certainly rotten in the State of Denmark. It's an overuse of force when it isn't needed.

Here's the thing on the conspiracy side of things. All the sudden CNN just happens to roll up on such a raid? There's the "conspiracy" angle. There was a leak on the Mueller team. Has to be. Public Media Enemy #1 on Trump's list and they just happened to show up at the arrest of Roger Stone? Convince me otherwise if you can but overall, I'd doubt you're going to convince me someone on his team didn't talk out of school and notify CNN it was going down.
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According to Stone, if it's not illegal and it damages your opponent, only a weak fool would not take advantage. Watch "Get Me Roger Stone", and I thought Trump was a soulless, despicable human.
 
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/ro...nns-april-ryan/?utm_source=push_notifications

CNN political analyst April Ryan on Monday dropped some tantalizing hints about Roger Stone’s arrest last week, reluctantly offering a few details about a meeting Stone had held the night before at his house.

“Just hours prior to the raid, Roger Stone had a gathering at his home with very influential people,” Ryan said.

“‘Influential people’? Are you going to leave it at that?” asked host Brianna Keilar. “What kinds of people?”

“I had to fight just to get that one,” replied Ryan before dishing. “Close to the president. He had a gathering at his home hours prior to, and a source that was — one of the sources said, ‘you know, it’s interesting, the FBI was probably watching us when we were in that home.'”

Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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