To Protect and to Serve II

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VolStrom said:
Cops never go to jail when they kill someone. Someone kills a cop and there's a 50/50 chance they go to jail and 50/50 chance they get shot and killed during the "arrest".
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Have to disagree with you.

Except for when someone draws a weapon on LEO, at that point they're 100% f#@*!d.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
2018 Fatal Shootings By Police
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I made it through the first row, so I looked at 35 of them. 34 involved a confrontation with a subject armed with a knife or a gun. If the WaPo is just reporting raw numbers, fine. But if their goal is responsible journalism, then perhaps they should dig a little deeper to see if the shooting passes the smell test, at the very least.

Still looking for their article on the roughly 2,000 illegal immigrants ICE detained last year who were charged with, or convicted of, homicide. Those are just the ones ICE detained.

Maybe it's back in the classified ads somewhere.....
 
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That's some funny stuff right there.

One time (not in Band Camp) our shift stopped at a Huddle House together after working a pretty nasty wreck on the Interstate. I brought us all in to grab a cup of coffee and decompress a bit. As luck would have it, it's about 2:30 am, so the Double H is about half full of folks from the local watering holes, and some of them are obviously intoxicated. We're trying not to notice, or stare, but we can't help but notice the guy at a table of four who has slowly "bobbed" his way down until his nose hits his grits. He's trying to be cool about it, but he's as obvious as a wart on the Pope's nose. So we get up to leave, and all I say to them is "He's not driving is he?" "No, Sir." "Good, y'all be safe going home."

No, we didn't go sit across the street. I told my team to put five miles between them and the parking lot as quick as they could.
 
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Guy in his Lambo gets pulled over for “not having the right tags.” He handled it very well and was very courteous. This trooper was definitely high strung and seemed like he wanted to escalate the situation. Hopefully his superiors see this video and he gets better training on the laws.
 
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davethevol said:


Guy in his Lambo gets pulled over for “not having the right tags.” He handled it very well and was very courteous. This trooper was definitely high strung and seemed like he wanted to escalate the situation. Hopefully his superiors see this video and he gets better training on the laws.
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Dude was obviously wealthy. Cop was obviously a idiot.

I expect things like that out of city kitties, but not full growns
 
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davethevol said:


Guy in his Lambo gets pulled over for “not having the right tags.” He handled it very well and was very courteous. This trooper was definitely high strung and seemed like he wanted to escalate the situation. Hopefully his superiors see this video and he gets better training on the laws.
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Cop didn't know the law. How is that newsworthy?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Chattanooga officer at center of filmed traffic stop, beating suspended pending internal review

I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but here’s one from Chattanooga.
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Didn't watch the video at all. Don't need to. If "hands on" was unwarranted, then fired and arrested same day. Otherwise, hand it to the DA / TBI, and let an external agency conduct the review. Give them full access to your SOP's (Use of Force); the video; and anything else you have. Then step away. Only (right) way to do it.

On that note, we had a pursuit yesterday that I was involved in. Conducting a license check, and had a vehicle turn around on us and take off. Pursuit ensues; driver is throwing what was later discovered to be crack cocaine out the window; we go about four or five miles at speeds in the 80-100 range (he was in a Pontiac Aztec...really?...you ran in that?); we end the pursuit with the PIT maneuver; and that's that. He refused verbal commands to get out of the vehicle, so we went in and got him.

There were four of us, and one of him. You'd think "pigpile", adrenaline-induced thumping, whatever. Nope. By pure chance, we had four seasoned deputies there who had been in an aggregate of hundreds of pursuits. We did drag him out forcefully, then compressed him, cuffed him, and promptly called for a squad to evaluate him for any injuries. They were minor; mostly road rash from the extrication. We had him transported to the closest ER for evaluation and clearance anyway, just to be safe.

Never made the local news. I wonder why?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Didn't watch the video at all. Don't need to. If "hands on" was unwarranted, then fired and arrested same day. Otherwise, hand it to the DA / TBI, and let an external agency conduct the review. Give them full access to your SOP's (Use of Force); the video; and anything else you have. Then step away. Only (right) way to do it.

On that note, we had a pursuit yesterday that I was involved in. Conducting a license check, and had a vehicle turn around on us and take off. Pursuit ensues; driver is throwing what was later discovered to be crack cocaine out the window; we go about four or five miles at speeds in the 80-100 range (he was in a Pontiac Aztec...really?...you ran in that?); we end the pursuit with the PIT maneuver; and that's that. He refused verbal commands to get out of the vehicle, so we went in and got him.

There were four of us, and one of him. You'd think "pigpile", adrenaline-induced thumping, whatever. Nope. By pure chance, we had four seasoned deputies there who had been in an aggregate of hundreds of pursuits. We did drag him out forcefully, then compressed him, cuffed him, and promptly called for a squad to evaluate him for any injuries. They were minor; mostly road rash from the extrication. We had him transported to the closest ER for evaluation and clearance anyway, just to be safe.

Never made the local news. I wonder why?
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Just to clarify: you’re not saying you and your colleagues should get special recognition for not beating dude up, right? Because it reads a lot like that and you seem reasonable enough to get the benefit of the doubt and a chance to clarify before I make fun of you for how ridiculous that would be.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Just to clarify: you’re not saying you and your colleagues should get special recognition for not beating dude up, right? Because it reads a lot like that and you seem reasonable enough to get the benefit of the doubt and a chance to clarify before I make fun of you for how ridiculous that would be.
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That wasn't braggadocios at all, imo
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Just to clarify: you’re not saying you and your colleagues should get special recognition for not beating dude up, right? Because it reads a lot like that and you seem reasonable enough to get the benefit of the doubt and a chance to clarify before I make fun of you for how ridiculous that would be.
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No, we're good. What we did yesterday probably happens hundreds of times every day. I don't need applause for doing my job right. That's what you expect us to do, and what we should do. I took an oath. We all did. Serve and Protect. Support and Defend. Psalm 82:4 pretty much sums it up.

But rare to read about it when it goes as it should. Happens, but rare.

Awww, who are we kidding here? I'm just poking Ras.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Just read about that. Young officer, and it looks like he was a "hunter". Damn shame.

Low rent motels = minimum two officers, every time. We made that change a while back. Too many times, those situations go dynamic with no warning.

DTH: you have a cell block preference for this one?
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I’m sure he will get the maximum penalty allowable.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I’m sure he will get the maximum penalty allowable.
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As he should.

Just be fair. All I ask. I have no problem with criticism where deserved.

FYI, I watched the video of the Tempe (AZ) OIS. Based on the video alone, this is Tennessee -v- Garner all over again. And if so, the officer should be charged.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Link for context.

Tempe PD: 14-year-old boy with airsoft gun shot, killed by police
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Thanks.

Bodycam videos, and in-car videos, are a double-edged sword. The camera only captures a "slice of the pie", and while they can be strong evidence in favor of, or against, the involved officer, they have their limits when it comes to understanding the big picture.

Then there's the issue of "field of view and zoom". In-car pursuit videos (trust me) seem to miss a lot of detail that the pursuing officer can see clearly. Same goes with body cams. From experience, it always felt like I was a lot closer than the camera showed.

All that being said, my issue here is with the fleeing teen. And for the record, if he turns on you with that Airsoft gun, there's no way you see the orange tip. Again, trust me on that one. But from what I saw, and understanding the "distance error" of the body cam, it just seemed to me like the suspect was too far away to justify the shots. Hell, I couldn't hit a barn from the inside at that range. But that's me. I'd be very interested to know exactly what the engagement range was. Likely shorter than it appeared on the cam, but how far exactly? If it's 25 yards or less, then I lean towards "good shoot". Otherwise.....

This will be an interesting Use of Force case to follow. I would not be surprised...depending on what happens at the local / state level...to see this one go to the SCOTUS. It's that close.

But if it plays out on the Garner level, the officer is toast. Not taking sides, just stating an opinion based on one segment of video evidence of known limited value.

So we'll see.
 
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