Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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OrangenSC said:
I think we'd better be careful what we wish for. In spite of all mocking we give him, I could see him being a good oc. His control would be limited. We conveniently forget that not everything he did was bad.
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Some people are meant to be coordinators, some are meant to be HC. I don't think Butch is either. Dobbs made our offense successful sometimes despite Butch's offense, not because of it. I think Saban remembers how easy it was to play against Butch offenses and his inability to adjust at all, so there's no way he hires him to run his offense.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Cost us two games because he doesn’t know how to watch a football two people away from him and because of holding.

Edit: Obviously if the coaches pushed him out the door something was up.
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Maybe the freshman came on bench pressing and squatting more already.?
 
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jave36 said:
I wasn't impressed with him. Might be that it just takes longer than a year to fix something so bad; but missed assignments seemed to be a bigger problem than strength or athleticism on the OL, and that makes me worry about coaching.
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they had no idea who to block and when they did, they got run over.

that doesn't get fixed in one year. they werne't build to do what you wanted to do, nor were they football educated to do what you wanted to do. you had a situation where it was literally "forget everything you think you know".

listening to Ainge yesterday and he made a good point about this...he said that at one point during, i think the FL game, they basically gave up trying to get the line to do their assignments and just went to slide blocking, depending on which way the play was designed to go, and he said they couldn't even do that, and still missed guys.

said he thinks the addition of Chaney from a teaching standpoint of where not to get beat, so as to preven the "disasterous play" will be important.

anyway, i think if you get thru this year and we're still having these same conversations, then it's probably time to start questioning what the heck is going on with the coaching....last year was just bad, and there were probably a lot of reasons for it, not all of which was because the coaches were NOT teaching them the things htey wanted them to do.........
 
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HankHill said:
Every player has had a meeting with coaches to lay out their plan for the upcoming workouts and practices. Don’t look too much into that. I’m not saying they didn’t have a sour meeting but just the fact that there was one...everyone did.
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Good
 
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With all of his O-line position coaching experience, Chaney will be a big help to Friend. He was a big help to Pittman, who he encouraged Dools to hire when Hiestand left. Coincidently, that 2012 year was when Chaney's O performed at its highest level. Friend is an excellent O-line coach as the recruiting results should be telling everybody. When your top two O-linemen go down for the season and all you have left is awful or undeveloped, you get what you get.

I also get that it's hard to project being really good at football again. That's the same stuff CRB was hearing the first two years here and he is a seasoned, HOF coach with a seasoned, elite staff. Let's try to remember that with CJP/staff.
 
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OrangenSC said:
I think we'd better be careful what we wish for. In spite of all mocking we give him, I could see him being a good oc. His control would be limited. We conveniently forget that not everything he did was bad.
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Hot take: I agree in part, except that I actually think Butch would be a better HC than OC. I think people soured on him when he got some bad breaks and maybe had some rookie moments in Knoxville, and then he just couldn’t right the ship under the microscope. (And we make fun of him for OL recruiting, but he had some bad breaks there with health, etc.) I suspect that he has learned a lot from his experience at UT and now with Bama. I would not be surprised to see him do really well as a HC somewhere. But I think his skill set is better suited to HC than OC, so I would not be scared of him as Bama OC (though they’d still be good, obviously, just based on personnel).
 
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If he can get his weight up he will play tackle. Making the jump from highschool to SEC is a lot. Trey Smith even started at guard and moved out later. Morris and Wright has way more potiental than Johnson but experience means something on the Oline.
 
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VolInDayton said:
If he can get his weight up he will play tackle. Making the jump from highschool to SEC is a lot. Trey Smith even started at guard and moved out later. Morris and Wright has way more potiental than Johnson but experience means something on the Oline.
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Johnson didn't make the jump from HS to SEC.
 
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drylo said:
Hot take: I agree in part, except that I actually think Butch would be a better HC than OC. I think people soured on him when he got some bad breaks and maybe had some rookie moments in Knoxville, and then he just couldn’t right the ship under the microscope. (And we make fun of him for OL recruiting, but he had some bad breaks there with health, etc.) I suspect that he has learned a lot from his experience at UT and now with Bama. I would not be surprised to see him do really well as a HC somewhere. But I think his skill set is better suited to HC than OC, so I would not be scared of him as Bama OC (though they’d still be good, obviously, just based on personnel).
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hank take.
 
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