Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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So we have the following as possible candidates, just based on employment and or season over.
Sark - fired
Jim Bob Cooter - Fired
John Grass - season over
Chaney - Bowl game done


Still waiting on
Streeter - Clemson
 
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SSVol said:
Extremely rare?!? He's only had one undefeated season at Bama. Assuming they get by Clemson, this will only be the second.
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He wins the national championship at Alabama more often than he doesn't. Let that sink in for a moment.

Edit: my math is bad
 
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SSVol said:
Extremely rare?!? He's only had one undefeated season at Bama. Assuming they get by Clemson, this will only be the second.
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Saban has gotten a lot of help from the media and these committees. Any other team don’t make their own conference championship game and they aren’t even in playoff discussions or before that championship game discussion. But yet he’s gotten to play for a national title without winning his own conferences division multiple times.
 
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Ashevolle said:
He wins the national championship at Alabama more often than he doesn't. Let that sink in for a moment.
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:sigh: My point was clear, and had nothing to do with his championship success. He beats teams that he should be beating. He wouldn't do that if he didn't have a talent advantage. Good coach. Great recruiter, program builder, and player developer.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Saban has gotten a lot of help from the media and these committees. Any other team don’t make their own conference championship game and they aren’t even in playoff discussions or before that championship game discussion. But yet he’s gotten to play for a national title without winning his own conferences division multiple times.
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Exactly this.
 
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Nick Saban is such an unbelievable coach that people think he should go undefeated every year😂

He has 20 losses in 12 seasons, 6 came in first season, 5 national titles, playing for a sixth, tied with most national titles by any HC in history, and he did it in the most competitive era.

Thank God he won’t coach 38 seasons like Bear
 
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Smokey123 said:
Nick Saban is such an unbelievable coach that people think he should go undefeated every year😂

He has 20 losses in 12 seasons, 6 came in first season, 5 national titles, playing for a sixth, tied with most national titles by any HC in history, and he did it in the most competitive era.

Thank God he won’t coach 38 seasons like Bear
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You are amazingly good at putting words in other people's mouth. I didn't say he should go undefeated every year, I said his losses aren't "extremely rare" and since 2012 they were always to less talented teams. Objective fact.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Urban Meyer went to the playoffs without winning his division. Try again
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He’s on that same pedestal for the media and committees. UCF went undefeated for 2 regular seasons and still couldn’t get in the playoff. Bama loses to a team that lost the conference championship game and made the playoffs. Same goes for Urban. I was honestly shocked they weren’t put in the playoff this year. But I guess when the choice is a team that lost to Purdue or a team that lost to Texas and is led by the heisman winner they couldn’t put them in over the 4th undefeated team without being blatant about their favoritism so they just went with OU.
 
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SSVol said:
You are amazingly good at putting words in other people's mouth. I didn't say he should go undefeated every year, I said his losses aren't "extremely rare" and since 2012 they were always to less talented teams. Objective fact.
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You literally questioned if he was “that good of a coach”, and @Ulysees E. McGill said he shouldn’t have lost a game after 2012.

Talent is an objective fact? and what system are measuring that on? Also I like how you change it to 2012. You act like he’s losing to unranked teams😂😂

In 2013 auburn went on to play for a national title (and nearly win), in 2014 he lost to the national title winner, same with 2016
 
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JFBanicki said:
He’s on that same pedestal for the media and committees. UCF went undefeated for 2 regular seasons and still couldn’t get in the playoff. Bama loses to a team that lost the conference championship game and made the playoffs. Same goes for Urban. I was honestly shocked they weren’t put in the playoff this year. But I guess when the choice is a team that lost to Purdue or a team that lost to Texas and is led by the heisman winner they couldn’t put them in over the 4th undefeated team without being blatant about their favoritism so they just went with OU.
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Complaining about bias is always a good way to argue why a coach isn’t the best
 
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Smokey123 said:
Complaining about bias is always a good way to argue why a coach isn’t the best
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Sorry but to me the ultimate test for the greatest coaches is the NFL. The talent level is very close and that’s where it comes down to coaching and controlling the team. Belichik is hands down the GOAT, Saban needs superior talent. Look at his MSU days. At least Urban was able to take Utah to an undefeated season. Saban couldn’t even do it at LSU. It wasn’t until he had superior talent to everyone else that he could finally manage an undefeated season.
 
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SSVol said:
:sigh: My point was clear, and had nothing to do with his championship success. He beats teams that he should be beating. He wouldn't do that if he didn't have a talent advantage. Good coach. Great recruiter, program builder, and player developer.
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oh is that why he beat like 5 top 10 teams at MSU including a #1? Or beating us in 01? Or Uga in 2003 with like 4 1 round picks on that team?

Not to mention you act like recruiting, Program building and player development isn’t apart of coaching in CFB
 
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JFBanicki said:
Sorry but to me the ultimate test for the greatest coaches is the NFL. The talent level is very close and that’s where it comes down to coaching and controlling the team. Belichik is hands down the GOAT, Saban needs superior talent. Look at his MSU days. At least Urban was able to take Utah to an undefeated season. Saban couldn’t even do it at LSU. It wasn’t until he had superior talent to everyone else that he could finally manage an undefeated season.
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you mean him beating top notch teams almost yearly with an awful team at an awful program? And leading them to a 10 win top 10 season? Utah ? You mean the team in the MWC?
Lol look at belichick’s browns days
 
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JFBanicki said:
Sorry but to me the ultimate test for the greatest coaches is the NFL. The talent level is very close and that’s where it comes down to coaching and controlling the team. Belichik is hands down the GOAT, Saban needs superior talent. Look at his MSU days. At least Urban was able to take Utah to an undefeated season. Saban couldn’t even do it at LSU. It wasn’t until he had superior talent to everyone else that he could finally manage an undefeated season.
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For the NFL, I would agree, but an aspect of "coaching" in college, is recruiting. He didn't have the greatest talent when he got there. He recruitied, and he developed, and he "coached." It all counts, when you are a college coach.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Sorry but to me the ultimate test for the greatest coaches is the NFL. The talent level is very close and that’s where it comes down to coaching and controlling the team. Belichik is hands down the GOAT, Saban needs superior talent. Look at his MSU days. At least Urban was able to take Utah to an undefeated season. Saban couldn’t even do it at LSU. It wasn’t until he had superior talent to everyone else that he could finally manage an undefeated season.
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NFL and college football are two very different beasts. Doesn't make for an adequate comparison.

When Saban was at Michigan State, wasn't he hampered by NCAA sanctions brought on by the previous regime?

Even great talent has to be coached. I'd think the Butch Jones' years here would be proof enough of that.
 
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Weezer said:
NFL and college football are two very different beasts. Doesn't make for an adequate comparison.

When Saban was at Michigan State, wasn't he hampered by NCAA sanctions brought on by the previous regime?

Even great talent has to be coached. I'd think the Butch Jones' years here would be proof enough of that.
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Yea recruiting violations
 
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The ultimate question, if Saban had come to UT and won us 5 NCs, would you be questioning his coaching acumen? As much as I dislike the man, the idea of questioning whether or not he's a great or elite coach is absurd.
 
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