Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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wrangler said:
If you think old school is soft, then you haven't been there.

You don't need to be soft to show some class.

Taunting is not celebrating. You just showed that you beat them by making the play. You don't need to rub their face in it. You embarass yourself and your team.
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@Pepe_Silvia I was gonna reply to your post, but Wrangler here says it better than I could.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It was exacerbated by the fact he was looking back at Purdy and taunting him. That is exactly what he is doing there. It doesn't bother you...it does me.
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It doesn’t bother me. If I’m that QB who doesn’t have a defeatist mindset, I tell myself I won’t make that mistake again and I am going to give that defensive player a taste of his medicine the next chance I get.

That is how you handle it on the field. Every single time.
 
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wrangler said:
Your idea of old school is decades later than mine (1960s). You want to see a touchdown with class (even though it's more recent)? Watch video of Walter Payton.

As to the rule, I'm not arguing that, either way. I'll offer one observation -- the rule was in place before the game, and the kid was stupid enough to put himself before the team, and get the penalty.
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I don’t disagree that the player knows the rule. But the refs call things differently all the time. This time they got him next time he could get away with it.

They scored after the penalty anyways. But that rule should definitely be changed as far as negating a touchdown.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
It doesn’t bother me. If I’m that QB who doesn’t have a defeatist mindset, I tell myself I won’t make that mistake again and I am going to give that defensive player a taste of his medicine the next chance I get.

That is how you handle it on the field. Every single time.
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Used to be, if someone did something like that, they'd come out of a bunch of players with a few teeth less than they went in with, and the ref's view would have been shielded. I remember the stories about Gordie Howe, and the one Jack Twyman used to tell about Wilt Chamberlain. That was old school, and that was not "soft".
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Do I approve of the kid “taunting” no I don’t. Did I do it when I played no I didn’t. However, there is a difference between holding a ball out and physically getting in someone’s face and actually “taunting.”

I mean by that rule every time a defensive player makes a sack and celebrates by themselves it should be taunting.
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He was not just celebrating..he was holding the ball out in front of himself and looking back at Purdy while mouthing something at him...like he was playing keep away..if he was just celebrating by high stepping it into the endzone it wouldn't have bothered me so bad.

That was more like when a defensive player gets a sack or makes a big hit and then stands over the player taunting them..I have no stomach for that BS.
 
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nashvol1 said:
It’s not that easy when you are live on a football field. These are bang bang plays and judging egregiousness is silly. I think it’s just as bad to block out someone’s knees as targeting the head.

Go Iowa St
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I don't care who wins. Don't like the rule and this egri BS. But they know its the rule, so lead with a shoulder and arm and quit aiming for the head. Those type hits are going get called 9 times out 10. I agree on the knees as well, bad stuff with a personal ACL recon from it in my medical history.

I still remember the Tatum/Stingley hit, which was textbook legal targeting back then. It changed my opinion of what is important when playing football.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
He was not just celebrating..he was holding the ball out in front of himself and looking back at Purdy while mouthing something at him...like he was playing keep away..if he was just celebrating by high stepping it into the endzone it wouldn't have bothered me so bad.

That was more like when a defensive player gets a sack or makes a big hit and then stands over the player taunting them..I have no stomach for that BS.
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I don’t approve of it. Don’t get me wrong.

That being said I was always the player that whoever I tackled no matter what I helped them up. (I always figured that bothered them more then talking smack)
 
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SamRebel35 said:
There needs to be gradient when deciding the penalty for targeting. If glancing, not launching, incidental helmet to helmet occurs, call it a 15 yard penalty, buy don't kick the player out. Save that for the obvious one when a player lowers his head and launches himself into another player's helmet. This sort of zero tolerance thing is just dumb.
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@SamRebel35 Sam I’ve been meaning to ask you is your profile pic Leon Russell?
 
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Boy I sure am glad we are giving that coach no one had ever heard of and doubted their abilities to do anything since he was anonymous (Niedermayer) a chance to prove himself. That is proving to be a smart move by Pruitt that is paying off.....maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he is doing. Or not.....
 
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If all things are equal I think Yurchich picks Ohio st because that is his home area and it's been rumored he desires a MAC HC job for some reason.

It's not guaranteed all things will be equal though. Day decison on if he will remain play caller or give it up likely is the key there.
 
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nashvol1 said:
It’s not that easy when you are live on a football field. These are bang bang plays and judging egregiousness is silly. I think it’s just as bad to block out someone’s knees as targeting the head.

Go Iowa St
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The one for me that needs to get fixed is when the Defensive player let's say an LB or a DB commits in their tackle which would hit the RB around chest or stomach area but then the RB drops his head collision happens flag thrown 15 yard penalty on the defensive player for helmet to helmet. Just one example. Could be a WR doubling over after a catch preparing for the DB or LB to them. Hope I explained this clear enough.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
That is such a dumb rule though. The consequences are way disproportionate to the crime. 15 yards on PAT or kickoff would be plenty. Taking the touchdown away is just asinine.
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Not really. Don't be an a**hat. Pretty easy. The penalty happened during the play, so must be assessed as such. Why can't kids just act like they have been there before? Act like it's just business? You don't have to showboat. Be civil, celebrate with your team and go on.
 
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As far as targeting goes if the Defensive player lowers his body to strike the midsection/legs of a player without torpedoing with the head, and the offensive player basically lowers their body and is sliding down and accidental contact is made with the helmet or shoulder, that is not targeting in my opinion because the offensive player could have stayed upright and the helmet or shoulder of the defensive player would not have made contact with the offensive players helmet.
 
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