Explanation of Stars

[GVF]

I would agree.....I would actually love a bunch of 5-stars like Peyton, who worked hard and bettered the talents he had.

You give me a class of 10 5* recruits that have work ethic, and I'll change my tune in a real hurry. Of those 10, if 6 or 8 think its gonna be handed to them then I'll look elsewhere. We had a few of those high recruits the last couple of years with the wrong attitude and they didn't pan out.

 

[The Original Fade]

Teams with highly performing players win more games. Stars don’t predict performance. Apparently this obvious concept is lost on you, so I was trying to help.

Lol. Again, google top 5 ranked recruiting classes from the last 5 years and let me know how those teams have performed recently

 

[GVF]

Teams with highly performing players win more games. Stars don’t predict performance. Apparently this obvious concept is lost on you, so I was trying to help.

Ditto. Stars are based on how they performed previously, in HS, against a lot of players not going to college at any level of football.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Stars have nothing to do with NFL projections and everything to do with College projections.

One example being Tebow. He was never projected to be a 1st round caliber NFL QB but in a college offense he was projected to excel.

There are plenty like that each year.

I refer you to my post thats 3 or 4 spots above this one. Wasnt intended for you, but it applies just the same. I dont make up fiction to post to strangers on VN, dont have that kind if free time. I read what I read, so it is what it is. The max of 32 wasnt just a number pulled from someones butt, or a coincidence...unless the article i read was completely full of crap. I am more inclined to believe them than a poster from VN who hasnt posted any links or credible info to dispute what they wrote, just anecdotal references to former gator QBs. For what its worth, Tebow threw for plenty of yards, and touchdowns in college and HS...with his stats, no ratings service keeps QB gurus on retainer to forecast that the hitch in his throwing motion...which didnt keep him from throwing boatloads of TDs in HS, and a bunch in college too...would make him a bust as a QB in the NFL. Look up his stats . Tebow is probably the best college football player ever, at any position. Barry Sanders and Luke Keuchly are up there as well.

( luke only played 3 years of college ball, at Boston College, still holds the all time tackle record...vs everyone who EVER played 4 years...and hes the best LB in the NFL, unanimous All Pro)

 

[Russdaddy2027]

Lol. Again, google top 5 ranked recruiting classes from the last 5 years and let me know how those teams have performed recently

You’re right, we should just meet each team at the 50yd line compare stars and let that determine winners, maybe do a fortnight dance off for the crowd ....no other factors are relevant or have influence on what leads to success

 

[sechamp2012]

Knowing that there's usually 28 to 32; 5-STARS nationally and over 100 D1 schools and 60+ P5 schools. Does anyone know if 1 team has ever got over 5 FIVE Star players in one recruiting year.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Agree with a goid deal of what youve posted here...the last sentence of this 1 jumped the shark. Bigtime. No way in Hades any coach in college or the NFL wins 3 titles with any of the teams we have had in the last 7 years. Would take an incredible coaching job to win 1...and he would have been national coach of the year.

That original comment of mine was a pre-emptive sarcastic jab. I knew how this thread was going to travel. However, to you're point I again bring up Chip Kelly and what he did at Oregon with very few 4 and 5* players compared to Saban and others. He won a lot of games and beat a lot of good programs with said players. He knew how to make that system successful. True, he doesn't have the titles Saban has. But, it was a wildly successful era at Oregan with lesser rated players. But, not many coaches can take those players and do with them what Kelly did. But, it can be done. Coaching is more the clue of the puzzle than the players ratings. We had some formidable years of recruiting under several different coaches and flopped. Saban could have taken our rosters the last 5-7 years and won atleast 3 titles.

 

[dcm3w]

The services that are the best only give out a maximum of 32qty 5 star ratings in any class. Reason being a player that is rated at 5 stars should be a 1st rounder in the NFL draft, and there are 32 teams. That is why it is insane when a 5 star kid doesnt pan out...we have one on our offensive line though. IiRC, he wasnt a consensus 5 star though...so at least some of the services had their doubts as to his ability and future potential.

I'm wondering if Richmond would benefit at guard.

 

[HoptownVol]

The services that are the best only give out a maximum of 32qty 5 star ratings in any class. Reason being a player that is rated at 5 stars should be a 1st rounder in the NFL draft, and there are 32 teams. That is why it is insane when a 5 star kid doesnt pan out...we have one on our offensive line though. IiRC, he wasnt a consensus 5 star though...so at least some of the services had their doubts as to his ability and future potential.

Well that doesn't seem to be the case now does it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Bringing in classes like the one we have now means a 4 year rebuild. If you want a faster turnaround you need more 5 stars, and some contributing JUCOs and grad transfers.

But to get more 5*s you have to win more. Its the ultimate between a rock and a hard place situation.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'm wondering if Richmond would benefit at guard.

I honestly believe the lack of a good, stable strength and conditioning program has led to his terrible play.

 

[majic73]

But to get more 5*s you have to win more. Its the ultimate between a rock and a hard place situation.

This . I think too, when judging a class , a class heavy in offensive and defensive linemen tend to be a little deceiving. These guys tend to be rated 4's and 5's when they have a great frame and lower bodyfat ….the ones that have a less perfect physique get rated as a three. But anybody knows that that measure is not always a measure of how someone blocks or tackles and some of that can be fixed pretty quickly at the training table. So some of these lower ranked linemen aren't necessarily the equal of say a three star receiver who may be a step slow or undersized.

In the old days UT was dominant in Georgia and the Carolinas ...Phil even had a good run in California when USC was on the decline. We are not dominating these places ….because the teams in those places are better and we are dominating nothing. An 8-9 win season changes recruiting for us

 

[Iam4utalways]

Developed 5* > Developed 3*

 

[vavolfan6]

Stars only mean something when the players we sign have a lot of them otherwise they are meaningless and recruiting services stupid

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Developed 5* > Developed 3*

Not always.

 

[KeyVol14]

Some fans are star gazers and other feel stars don’t matter. Here are my thoughts are what the star rating mean

5* Good chance of immediate playing time and big contributor in their first year. Will not require as much one on one coaching

4*. Should contribute on special teams and as needed for depth. Playing significant minutes in second year

3*. Will need some time to grow, learn, and mature. Projected to contribute after 2 years and maybe start after 3 years. Will need more one on one coaching.

As always there are hits and misses. Players drive and attitude are big parts regardless of coaching thus some 5* bust and 3* end up all conference. All have talent but some bodies / minds mature faster. Coaching is huge as it sets the mental tone for the players. This is why continuity with a good coach (not a soft coach) allows teams like TCU, Miss St, Mich St, Wisc, etc. have successful teams. Maybe not NCs but very competitive.
Build a team in a year or 2 you need plenty of 4 or 5* guys. Building a system that works, you can use 3, 4, and 5* guys and give it a few years. Dooley and Jones in my opinion were too lax in players being deeply committed to the things that they needed to be doing to make themselves the best they could be. Pruitt seems to have it but can he get the players to buy into it?????

This is not to say 5 star players aren’t warranted for there ranking but a lot of prospects these days get bumped in the ratings soley because they show up to camps. Look at the majority of NFL stars in the league. Most of them weren’t highly regarded in HS

 

[Iam4utalways]

Not always.

You’re right. Not every time.

But as a general rule a 5* that has been developed will out produce a 3* that has been developed.

I’ve always considered a 5* as prototype player for a certain position.

Some 5*s don’t have the mental aspect to be the best ever while others don’t have the dedication needed to achieve their maximum.

If a 5* allows a 3* to out work and out prepare them they didn’t develop to their max.

This is with the assumption that the ratings are based on skill sets and not petty folks with an agenda.

 

[BenGrimm]

I refer you to my post thats 3 or 4 spots above this one. Wasnt intended for you, but it applies just the same. I dont make up fiction to post to strangers on VN, dont have that kind if free time. I read what I read, so it is what it is. The max of 32 wasnt just a number pulled from someones butt, or a coincidence...unless the article i read was completely full of crap. I am more inclined to believe them than a poster from VN who hasnt posted any links or credible info to dispute what they wrote, just anecdotal references to former gator QBs. For what its worth, Tebow threw for plenty of yards, and touchdowns in college and HS...with his stats, no ratings service keeps QB gurus on retainer to forecast that the hitch in his throwing motion...which didnt keep him from throwing boatloads of TDs in HS, and a bunch in college too...would make him a bust as a QB in the NFL. Look up his stats . Tebow is probably the best college football player ever, at any position. Barry Sanders and Luke Keuchly are up there as well.

( luke only played 3 years of college ball, at Boston College, still holds the all time tackle record...vs everyone who EVER played 4 years...and hes the best LB in the NFL, unanimous All Pro)

Here is your Link...

2017 Pro Bowl rosters: Do recruiting star ratings actually predict NFL success?

 

[Matt2496]

IMO, stars are nothing more than probabilistic indicators. The higher the star, the higher the probability that the player will become elite.

 

[photovol]

I'm about ready to forget the stars, look where they have gotten us the past few years, NOWHERE

 

[photovol]

 

[GVF]

You’re right. Not every time.

But as a general rule a 5* that has been developed will out produce a 3* that has been developed.

I’ve always considered a 5* as prototype player for a certain position.

Some 5*s don’t have the mental aspect to be the best ever while others don’t have the dedication needed to achieve their maximum.

If a 5* allows a 3* to out work and out prepare them they didn’t develop to their max.

This is with the assumption that the ratings are based on skill sets and not petty folks with an agenda.

A lot of times as well, the difference in Stars is due to the marketing, self presentation, and exposure of a recruit. They join these recruiting video services, Hudl, and whatever else. It's up to you to get yourself on the national radar. We have a small high school in the plateau of middle Tennessee. We are not blessed with many prospects, but we've had a few the last few years. Illinois was looking at one, and more should have been. One never got recruited except for Peay, and he walked on at Tennessee Tech. Was more than capable of making a bigger school. They were never seen.

 

[photovol]

Exactly!
That seems to be what Butch was trying to do, but couldn't coach them correctly.

Butch Jones was never really a football player, at least not one worth his salt and it definately showed up in his lack coaching skills

 

[Advol]

I pay NO attention to Stars...….. I want Blue Chippers.

 

[GBOVFL88]

Stars may not matter, but according to Athlon Sports 18 of the last 20 CFP teams have had an average of a top 10 recruiting class for the 4 years leading up to their playoff appearance. Granted, many of these teams are known for player development. But it seems that even if their strength is player development and obviously a myriad of other factors, star rating (which is what determines most of the recruiting class ranking) has a strong correlation with the best teams in America.