Pruitt just said offensive coordinators are overrated

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jakez4ut said:
lol. cute.
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I don't necessarily mean it in a disrespectful way. Just how he views coaching positions. When he said that, his mind was probably on an offensive coordinator he'd worked with in the past that he thought was incompetent.

There's truth in what he said, but it's probably not a smart thing for a current head coach to say. But Pruitt doesn't have much of a filter either.
 
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savannahfan said:
Saying a coach that is on the sideline with less than good players on the field who didn't look like they gave a dam-, doesn't say to me that that coach screwed the pooch. You can drive a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Have heard this all my life, it is a sound statement. It applies here. We just didn't have the horses to drive to the drink!!!!
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I dont care how smart you are, how you can scheme on the chalkboard, or how you can use the coach-speak, etc, if a coach cant motivate his players to play for him, he isnt worth a damn. That goes back long before Jeremy Pruitt was born. With 2018 as an example, he clearly has a problem motivating players. Shoop did with the same group also. Maybe the players werent very motivated (which i believe has been part of the issue) but JP clearly has to improve or get more motivated individuals in his program QUICK! Maybe he needs to rewatch ole Bear films of "playin for ya mommas and daddies" talks.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I don't necessarily mean it in a disrespectful way. Just how he views coaching positions. When he said that, his mind was probably on an offensive coordinator he'd worked with in the past that he thought was incompetent.
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I took it to mean the position is overrated if you don't have players who can and want to play.

**Edit** I also go back to something he said about coaching at Alabama. When asked about his tenure there, he said, it's easy being a coach to players like that. So really, he applied the same concept to himself.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the stuff he said about offensive coordinators really concerns me.
As Tennessee fans, we know better than anybody how important offensive playcalling is. Look at the Jones era. Playcalling can lose you games when you have the talent to win. I dont want another first time offensive coordinator. Look at how that worked out with Larry Scott.
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Fulmer should know. His OC choice got him fired.
 
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Thorp32 said:
Sara
You can keep the blinders on as long as you like for as long as you feel comfortable. Pruitt's comments do not help us in any logical way. Why make those comments????? What good does it do??? Pruitt keeps on reaffirming my belief that he does not have a clue and is a deer in the headlights. TN will eventually get a great coach that will lead us back to the top. These things run in cycles and it takes a long time to complete the cycle.
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I won't type what I am thinking, just apply what you just typed.......to yourself. You have NEVER been in his situation Billybob, but Memphis is looking for more fans.........just like you.
 
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Sara Clark said:
I took it to mean the position is overrated if you don't have players who can and want to play.
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Could be. That's why it's not really a smart thing to say in that moment. Nobody can say for sure what he's talking about. Can OC's overcome little talent? Yes. Can good talent hide bad OC's? Yes. Can bad talent hinder good OC's? Yes.

Just say we're not talking about it today and leave it at that.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I don't necessarily mean it in a disrespectful way. Just how he views coaching positions. When he said that, his mind was probably on an offensive coordinator he'd worked with in the past that he thought was incompetent.
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maybe. but he said basically what i think he wanted to. "i'd rather talk about recruiting, you know, offensive coordinator sometims is overrated; when you look at what those teams do, i mean probably anyone could coordinate the offense, so sometimes it doesn't matter whos' calling the plays when you have that kind of talent, or not"

that last part is parphrased somewhat, but the underlying theme was sometihng along the lines of ......getting good players is way more important; it doesn't matter who the OC is...if you have good players, you're a lot better looking coach than if you have bad players....

i think the only insight you can get from his comments yesterday is that he puts a lot more value on the jimmy's and joes than the x's and o's.

and that's just not a new concept in college football.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Could be. That's why it's not really a smart thing to say in that moment. Nobody can say for sure what he's talking about. Can OC's overcome little talent? Yes. Can good talent hide bad OC's? Yes. Can bad talent hinder good OC's? Yes.

Just say we're not talking about it today and leave it at that.
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no body can say for sure what he's talking about, yet we're in here drawing conclusions to his aptitude as a coach and overall direction of the program based on what he talked about?
 
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utkevdawg1 said:
He was talking about recruiting and then that question popped up. The rest of the quote said that you can have a great OC but if you don't have the players, it won't mean squat.
I wouldn't make much more out of it.

But is he getting the players? We probably will finish 8th in the SEC.
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guess it only really matters what he's saying to recruits and those already on the team...actions do eventually speak louder than words anyway...:D

GO VOLS...RECRUIT LIKE HECK!
 
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VolFan..But said:
If you have no one to block and no trigger man, the OC doesn't matter. Relax people. He inherited a mess. Let him fix it.
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Good enough to block and beat Ky and Aub; not good enough to be respectable vs Mizz and Vandy? Which is it?
 
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wmcovol said:
Good enough to block and beat Ky and Aub; not good enough to be respectable vs Mizz and Vandy? Which is it?
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both. and the reality is with the Auburn game, we didn't do much on 1st and 2nd downs if you remember. we convered like 100 3rd and longs on a lot of back shoulder throws.

USCe and UK were probably the most "complete" games we played all year. Auburn had the "biggest plays" in a game all year.

the rest, were just not very good. some was because of some poor play calling. we were very stubborn in the run game at times, especially on 1st downs. and we just weren't very good up front on the O line, we didn't protect all that well, and we got zero push in the run game.

it was a mixed bag.
 
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jakez4ut said:
both. and the reality is with the Auburn game, we didn't do much on 1st and 2nd downs if you remember. we convered like 100 3rd and longs on a lot of back shoulder throws.

USCe and UK were probably the most "complete" games we played all year. Auburn had the "biggest plays" in a game all year.

the rest, were just not very good. some was because of some poor play calling. we were very stubborn in the run game at times, especially on 1st downs. and we just weren't very good up front on the O line, we didn't protect all that well, and we got zero push in the run game.

it was a mixed bag.
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Pretty good look at it.

The season wasnt just AU and UK no more or less than it was just Mizzou and Vandy.
 
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savannahfan said:
When you break down your preferences I think you are from a "older time". Finding this type woman as far back would have been tough. A gal with a few of these ideal traits today would be tough enough, finding one with all, well good luck.
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Truth. Luckily I got one. However, tough as it is, I think there's some still out there for the younger fellas. I've bumped into a few and encouraged some matches that led to (so far) good marriages and families. Oh well, back to football before Freak decides to kick my off-topic butt. I still harbor faith that the Fulmer-Pruitt combo is working and we will see results by year three. And the first signs of that will be whooping Georgia and making the Bama game a 12-15 point loss. Our overrated OC could probably be (I'm going wild and crazy on this) Mike Leach.
 
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Behr said:
Here you go @GetYouSomeofThat and @volfannbama , this is another you can add to the list of those that want him fired. What's that, 7 or 8?

And Thorp, if you say you don't want him fired after what you just said Lol, good luck explaining it.
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First of all Behr; thanks for showing me a trick i didn't know with regard to the board, the ability to mention someone and it alert them. Cool..however I can see me abusing that little piece of code...haha

Now to the point of your post.. Thorp appears to think he will be fired due to not being a very good coach. I do not see where he implied, inferred or indicated that was what he wanted.

However, i am willing to concede that point and make the assumption that he and about 7 others on VN want CJP fired. If i said no one wants him fired, that would make me obviously wrong. But if you think me being wrong is a big deal, let me introduce you to my wife. She will assure you that you've uncovered nothing she hasn't know for some time.

With that said; I would almost bet that I have said in the past that i haven't read anyone saying they want him fired. Until you ruined that streak with Thorp's post ( and we are still assuming he WANTS him fired) that was still accurate.

Take care and let's hope Santa Clause brings CJP a How to Be a Successful Head Coach in the SEC for dummies book this Christmas.

8^)
 
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CR-vol said:
Everybody's just got to be a smart ***. Well I dunno who in their right mind is still trying to hang their hat on this team's past recruiting rankings and claiming that we have talent. You think we had more talent than Vandy or Mizzou but for several years now they have owned us. How could that possibly be if we have all of this talent? What talent do we have that would start at any of the current top 5 teams?
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How many players ( not starters but players) do we have that would start for Vandy or Missouri?

Again, please stop. I am not a good enough person to not swing at big fat slow softballs lobbed at me. So help me become a better person by not replying.

thanks and Merry Christmas to you and yours
 
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savannahfan said:
Saying a coach that is on the sideline with less than good players on the field who didn't look like they gave a dam-, doesn't say to me that that coach screwed the pooch. You can drive a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Have heard this all my life, it is a sound statement. It applies here. We just didn't have the horses to drive to the drink!!!!
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We didn't have the horses to even compete with Vandy? Are you serious? We had the horses to beat Auburn on the road and Kentucky at home, but Mizzou and Vandy had just far superior players and athletes than we did? It's the coach's job to get the players both mentally and physically ready to win football games. The last 2 weeks that did not happen, didn't even come close. Get a grip on reality dude.
 
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