Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[jakez4ut]

What difference does it make what they are told their whole lives? When they sign a legal and binding contract for 4 years, including the University committing to 4 years, then you can babble about them “sticking with their commitment”. Someone mentioned earlier something about scholarships being a 4 year agreement and after research, they aren’t. They are 1 year agreements that the University can break after any year without penalty .

scholarships are done year to year.

 

[BruinVol]

Oh, I had always been under the inpression that athletic scholarships were on a year to year. That’s why I asked I guess.

Very few people know the rules regarding this.

Even year to year scholarships cannot be taken away from kids because of poor play.

I am waiting for a player to challenge a coach for trying to take their scholarship away. It almost never happens but it should. Only time I have heard about was a baseball player at USCe. Kid refused to leave school and stayed on scholarship but wasn't on the team


So i think we are heading toward 4 year deals because in reality they are exactly the same as far as removing a kid from scholarship. There has to be case off the field

 

[MrVolton]

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I just don’t understand why football players don’t have the rights of other adults and specifically other students.

If you’re unhappy in your job, you find another job. If a college student is unhappy at TN Tech, they transfer to Austin Peay or UT. It’s not complicated.

Why do we punish football players and not allow them to do what literally everyone else is allowed to do?

It’s like working under contract. I think scholarships should be as binding for both parties as a 4 year contract. The student should not be able to leave without some penalty (barring predefined cause) and the school should not be to cut a student before their 4 years are up without some penalty either (barring predefined cause). Graduate transfers have fulfilled their obligation and schools should have absolutely no control over where they go.

 

[Jimmy Football]

There are also a multitude of careers that require certain requirements, some of which have age requirements or requirements to learn for a period of time.

Yep. This view that people in "the real world" have unrestricted employment mobility and no barriers to entry is a complete fiction.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I'm not taking a whiz outside at night lol. Too many bear, bobcat, coyote sightings here lately. And since man is responsible for taking the wolf out of the ecosystem God created that caused the mismanagement of the land, I sure am glad we have scientists available with good scientific knowledge to know how to reintroduce them so these results were possible.

Wolves like to be fed raw meat by hand. It also helps to put some in your coat pocket. Do this and tell me how you feel about Darwinism and Science?Tell me if Man is in charge still?

 

[govols444]

There have been official cougar sightings in Middle TN. Confirmed by TWRA.

My hunting club was where the trail cam photo was taken and submitted to TWRA. Knowing that a cougar had been in the area made the pre-dawn walks into the tree stand MUCH more interesting!

 

[BearCat204]

scholarships are done year to year.

Did I say otherwise?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Wolves like to be fed raw meat by hand. It also helps to put some in your coat pocket. Do this and tell me how you feel about Darwinism and Science?Tell me if Man is in charge still?

Not giving the bait or taking it either.

 

[BearCat204]

scholarships are done year to year.

And I believe they are done unilaterally by the University

 

[Kingston Vol]

Well, in order to practice law, I had to have both a bachelor's degree and a JD degree. So, I guess I should have been upset that they required me to do that to "advance my professional prospects."

But in college you theoretically learned things that made you a better lawyer. There’s nothing someone who wants to play football gains from sitting through Biology. Or said better, there’s nothing gained that helps them in their chosen profession.

 

[jakez4ut]

And I believe they are done unilaterally by the University

well, who else would do it? lol

 

[Z06VolinWV]

Thank you for posting this... well done

Stopped watching when they called elk "deer"...

 

[jakez4ut]

Did I say otherwise?

misread your post. whoops.

 

[bignewt]

well this discussion is less than interesting today.

 

[Kingston Vol]

when, just now? cuase that's not what you've been saying. you've been saying these guys shoudl be able to do whatever they want.....or don't want...to do.

It’s both.

But ultimately I’d have less issue with the current system if players weren’t forced into the system. If players were allowed to go pro immediately then, in theory, if they chose to forego that opportunity and go to college instead, they would be more likely to stay at said college

 

[BearCat204]

well, who else would do it? lol

Should be bilaterally, right? The student athlete should have more skin in the game is my point. You may disagree and that’s cool.

 

[jakez4ut]

But in college you theoretically learned things that made you a better lawyer. There’s nothing someone who wants to play football gains from sitting through Biology. Or said better, there’s nothing gained that helps them in their chosen profession.

that's the dumbest thing i've read today.

you basically just said "learning is stupid".

 

[InstrumentalVol]

Good lord reading this thread tomorrow can't come soon enough

 

[Smokey123]

but it's not unfair. everyone operates under the same rules. it's completely fair.

that you want to compare to what a coach does does't change that.

and like every recruit ever has alwayys said "never commit to a coach, commit to a school".

99% of what you guys are complaing about is pure BS because the situations these kids that find themselves in "bad"situations are genearlly because they're "unhappy"....

probably because they made bad choices. just like fields did. he knew the roster situation at QB. if he believed whatever BS Kirby told him, that's on him and his family for not making better decisions.

and his "punishment" is that he gets to be a QB at Georgia???
cry me a river...........

a non-student athlete has to sit out to transfer?

It has a lot to do with it, a coach can jump from school to school lying to recruits and not a damn person says “he should have to sit out” or trashes him. A football player has only four years to pursue his dream and if he decides to transfer he’s trashed as a cry baby, sore loser, ect and has to sit out.

The fact that the NCAA and others want to be able to control and dictate what another adult does with their career and life is odd

But no blame on Kirby for lying?

 

[Kingston Vol]

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It’s like working under contract. I think scholarships should be as binding for both parties as a 4 year contract. The student should not be able to leave without some penalty (barring predefined cause) and the school should not be to cut a student before their 4 years are up without some penalty either (barring predefined cause). Graduate transfers have fulfilled their obligation and schools should have absolutely no control over where they go.

I agree with this - with the added fact that players should be allowed to turn pro and bypass the collegiate system altogether if they want.

As soon as schools make 4 year commitments to players then players should in turn make 4 year commitments to schools. But there should be a way out if there is a coaching change or something similar.

 

[VolGee4]

I think you kinda missed his point.
I believe He’s saying why should someone be forced to go to college for 3+ years to play football professionally. Getting a degree to play football, is not the same as getting a degree to become a lawyer, teacher, doctor ect.

I don’t necessarily agree with him, but I think it’s a fair point

They don't have to get a degree to play football. They just have to be 3 years removed from high school. That's the requirement, just like the requirement for practicing law is two degrees. There are reasons for that as well, one of which is probably physical maturity.

Even as an undergrad at UT, I was in favor of a "football major." Make these guys take classes in personal finance, english, public relations, interviewing 101, etc. That wouldn't bother me at all. But the "it's not fair they can't play out of high school" argument is kind of ridiculous. There are many, many careers that have certain requirements (even age requirements) in order to be eligible.

This goes into an even different discussion, but I am making an argument in a case where we are trying to stop a certain punishment because my client was 20 at the time. Studies show that the frontal lobe doesn't develop until your mid-20's. There are many laws that require someone to be 21, yet we want our kids to bust their heads in the NFL at age 18? Talk about a liability nightmare.

 

[WriterVol]

Exactly. John A Business student can leave here today and go to Kentucky, Florida, UCLA or wherever and virtually nothing stop them. But if you Play a sport ....whoa hold on now. You can practice/workout and risk getting injured for a year but you can’t play in the actual game. That’s too much.

Every system has it's rules. Want to teach in Florida, but you have a certificate in TN? Guess what, you gotta navigate their rules. Practice medicine in another country? More rules, laws, and regulations. Doing nails in Albuquerque, but want to paint piddlies in Chicago? Uh-oh, gotta take some exams.

It exists all over the place. I'm not arguing against your argument to relax transfer rules, that's your opinion, but don't act like everything else in the world isn't shackled with their own sets of rules.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Stopped watching when they called elk "deer"...

 

[Bring_Back_Dooley]

There’s nothing someone who wants to play football gains from sitting through Biology. Or said better, there’s nothing gained that helps them in their chosen profession.

But that's what athletes sign up to when they accept an athletic scholarship. Same goes for regular students and required classes. I don't have any use for biology in my line of work, but I had to sit through two semesters of it at UT.

 

[jakez4ut]

It’s both.

But ultimately I’d have less issue with the current system if players weren’t forced into the system. If players were allowed to go pro immediately then, in theory, if they chose to forego that opportunity and go to college instead, they would be more likely to stay at said college

who forced them? you act like these guys are being persecuted and being forced to live in dungeons until they get to put on their pads and come entertain us.

dude, they get a free ride at some of the coolest colleges in the country, living in pretty plush athlete only dorms/living quarters, access to state of the art "whatever they want" as far as training, healthy living, technology etcc....access to whatever educational program they want to pursue, and every single benefit that comes along with being a football player at a program in the SEC, of which there are many, i'm sure.

quit acting like these guys are getting screwed at every turn, they're not.

and if there are guys that are miserable in their current situation, that's still no reason to change the entire system to placate someone that made poor decisions and now wants to take his ball and go home (or the school of his choosing lol). you wanna leave, fine, here's how it works............