Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[HankHill]

When did I say anything about millennials? Besides these kids aren't millennials they're gen Z. And with Fields, and many other players, they want to transfer because they believed a lie that was promised to them. They're thinking with emotions and not with their head. They're not being mature in their decision making. Not all but a very high majority. They shouldn't be allowed to go from school to school with out any punishment because if they do most will end up at 4 schools and never play a down of football in their college career. With you scenario this is practically a given.

If a Maryland player wanted to transfer after what happened over the summer then they should've been allowed forgiveness on they year wait because that's a legitimate hardship. Believing a recruiting lie and getting out of sorts is not a hardship and that player should sit out a year.

That’s my whole point. Why is it ok to assume they not thinking right lol. They believe they are putting themselves in a better opportunity. What else matters.

 

[Rishvol]

Any big news today folks?

Hank doesn't understand the business he's in?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I legit LOL’d

 

[WinginFlorida]

Why should you have to sit out an additional year if it’s after the season?

If you don’t like your current job and quit... you don’t have to be an unpaid intern for a year and then begin getting paid at another job.

Hank...I'm pretty much on the other side of the "debate" but I certainly see the points you are making and they're points that are difficult to argue against. In the case of Fields, he was likely over-promised but he also knew full well that Fromm was there when he signed and was cocky enough to think he'd beat him out...and then it turns out he couldn't.

But ignoring individual/specific cases for a moment, my concern is chaos might not be a strong enough word for what might result. Sometimes the coach may be at fault for making promises that he shouldn't have, other times the player simply wasn't good enough. Regardless of the reason, though, chaos will result.

How about this...you have to sit out a year unless you fall into one of two categories...you're a grad transfer or you have been at a school for a minimum of 2 years with one of those years as a redshirt.

 

[VolGee4]

You


But that person who is Lower on a depth chart could be Jalen Hurd at Baylor or kyler Murray at Oklahoma or Alvin kamara at TN. No reason to not let players better themselves the same way coaches can.

Alvin Kamara did it the correct way. He left, went to Juco and got re-recruited. Exactly how it works. They can certainly better themselves. No one is stopping them. Some just have to sit out a year. Not difficult.

 

[Rishvol]

That’s my whole point. Why is it ok to assume they not thinking right lol. They believe they are putting themselves in a better opportunity. What else matters.

Because they're not believing that. These kids have been told they're A #1 their whole lives and then want to quit or transfer when reality hits. Fields chose Georgia. He should stick with his school/commitment until he graduates. When that happens his commitment is done and he can go to another school.

 

[Kingston Vol]

But that's how investments work. The university makes an investment in the kid and expects to see a return. Likewise, the kid makes in investment in their own future by going to a university. Even if they never play professional ball, they'll have an opportunity to get a degree which can only help them. Most people expects their investments to make more than they ever put in....that's the point.

A degree is useless for most of those guys. If we’re getting down to it the biggest issue is that they’re made to go to college to advance their professional prospects.

It’d be like if I told you the only way to be an astronaut would be if you did 4 years as a welders apprentice.

 

[Rishvol]

If we’re getting down to it the biggest issue is that they’re made to go to college to advance their professional prospects.

Pretty sure that's why 98% of people go to college

 

[jakez4ut]

Should Maryland players have been allowed to transfer without penalty after it was found the way the program was being run?

as a specific situation warrants it, sure. i don't have an issue with that.

it's the notion that if i sign here this year, and next Feb comes along and i'm just not "felling it" i'm going to enter my name in this draft portal, and somone else will offer me scholarships, and i get to pick what school i want to go to next..........

yeah, i have a problem with that. and don't htink that these kids would be entering their names in that portal of their design.

they'll be getting recruited while on scholarship at another school....anyone that's suspected of possibly being a transfer candidate woulud be fair game.

i'm sure there'd be rules against that too.......lol.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Pretty sure that's why 98% of people go to college

Yeah but if you’re an economist you get something out of sitting through Econ 101. There’s literally no reason for a football player to be there.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Should Maryland players have been allowed to transfer without penalty after it was found the way the program was being run?

Weren't players at Ole Miss allowed a waiver? That's not what you were talking about. You were talking about a backup player being allowed to transfer without sitting out a year because he thinks that will be best for him. We're saying he can transfer and get all the benefits from it, but a 1 year ban is used to stop chaos with transfers. Just 1 year

 

[bignewt]

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Falcons could fire both OC Steve Sarkisian and DC Marquand Manuel.
Owner Arthur Blank is apparently convinced coach Dan Quinn is not the problem. Pelissero mentions ex-Quinn Seattle coaching mate Darrell Bevell as a possibility to replace Sark. That would be perhaps the least-inspiring hire the Falcons could make. Sark's offense has run extremely hot and cold this season, going through an unstoppable stretch in the red zone before much lower-wattage affairs over the past two months.

 

[BruinVol]

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Falcons could fire both OC Steve Sarkisian and DC Marquand Manuel.
Owner Arthur Blank is apparently convinced coach Dan Quinn is not the problem. Pelissero mentions ex-Quinn Seattle coaching mate Darrell Bevell as a possibility to replace Sark. That would be perhaps the least-inspiring hire the Falcons could make. Sark's offense has run extremely hot and cold this season, going through an unstoppable stretch in the red zone before much lower-wattage affairs over the past two months.

Let's goooo

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Falcons could fire both OC Steve Sarkisian and DC Marquand Manuel.
Owner Arthur Blank is apparently convinced coach Dan Quinn is not the problem. Pelissero mentions ex-Quinn Seattle coaching mate Darrell Bevell as a possibility to replace Sark. That would be perhaps the least-inspiring hire the Falcons could make. Sark's offense has run extremely hot and cold this season, going through an unstoppable stretch in the red zone before much lower-wattage affairs over the past two months.

Sark makes a lot of sense, and would fit Matthew's timeline. He could have been done for a while.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

A degree is useless for most of those guys. If we’re getting down to it the biggest issue is that they’re made to go to college to advance their professional prospects.

It’d be like if I told you the only way to be an astronaut would be if you did 4 years as a welders apprentice.

What the hell are you even talking about?

 

[Kingston Vol]

as a specific situation warrants it, sure. i don't have an issue with that.

it's the notion that if i sign here this year, and next Feb comes along and i'm just not "felling it" i'm going to enter my name in this draft portal, and somone else will offer me scholarships, and i get to pick what school i want to go to next..........

yeah, i have a problem with that. and don't htink that these kids would be entering their names in that portal of their design.

they'll be getting recruited while on scholarship at another school....anyone that's suspected of possibly being a transfer candidate woulud be fair game.

i'm sure there'd be rules against that too.......lol.

I just don’t understand why football players don’t have the rights of other adults and specifically other students.

If you’re unhappy in your job, you find another job. If a college student is unhappy at TN Tech, they transfer to Austin Peay or UT. It’s not complicated.

Why do we punish football players and not allow them to do what literally everyone else is allowed to do?

 

[Smokey123]

Because they're not believing that. These kids have been told they're A #1 their whole lives and then want to quit or transfer when reality hits. Fields chose Georgia. He should stick with his school/commitment until he graduates. When that happens his commitment is done and he can go to another school.

How do you feel about coaches leaving for better job opportunity?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Are there any potential surprise signings this week?


-Simonton

This question was asked in this way: "Are there any surprises and by surprise we mean someone not talked about over the weekend." That means guys like Wright and Crouch are out in the sense that they could surprise by signing early.

IMO, it is someone like Haselwood or Bogle. Miami is a dumpster fire and both of those guys are considering us and Miami. Would make sense. Then you have AV's post in the Haselwood thread yesterday.

 

[SLICKYINC]

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Falcons could fire both OC Steve Sarkisian and DC Marquand Manuel.
Owner Arthur Blank is apparently convinced coach Dan Quinn is not the problem. Pelissero mentions ex-Quinn Seattle coaching mate Darrell Bevell as a possibility to replace Sark. That would be perhaps the least-inspiring hire the Falcons could make. Sark's offense has run extremely hot and cold this season, going through an unstoppable stretch in the red zone before much lower-wattage affairs over the past two months.

He was out the door until they put up 40 this past week.

 

[onescovol]

A degree is useless for most of those guys. If we’re getting down to it the biggest issue is that they’re made to go to college to advance their professional prospects.

It’d be like if I told you the only way to be an astronaut would be if you did 4 years as a welders apprentice.

This one may take the cake. It’s unfortunate to have this perspective.

 

[SweetasSoda]

NFL.com's Tom Pelissero reports the Falcons could fire both OC Steve Sarkisian and DC Marquand Manuel.
Owner Arthur Blank is apparently convinced coach Dan Quinn is not the problem. Pelissero mentions ex-Quinn Seattle coaching mate Darrell Bevell as a possibility to replace Sark. That would be perhaps the least-inspiring hire the Falcons could make. Sark's offense has run extremely hot and cold this season, going through an unstoppable stretch in the red zone before much lower-wattage affairs over the past two months.

Can we talk about the OC position please?

 

[LA Vol]

Eh, as soon as it becomes a numbers issue you and I both know the fat is trimmed in favor of new players.

And as far as the money goes, the players make more money for the program than the program spends on them.

UT carries far more non-contributing players than players asked to look elsewhere. If it were all about money, we could cut at least 20-30 current players and add walk-ons, without losing productivity. The cut players would lose tuition, room, board, medical, academic support and career counseling. Culling the herd would be cost-effective for schools; less so for players.

 

[Big Orange#1]

Any big news today folks?

 

[jakez4ut]

I just don’t understand why football players don’t have the rights of other adults and specifically other students.

If you’re unhappy in your job, you find another job. If a college student is unhappy at TN Tech, they transfer to Austin Peay or UT. It’s not complicated.

Why do we punish football players and not allow them to do what literally everyone else is allowed to do?

why do you think being a college football player on full scholoarship is punishment?

 

[Rishvol]

How do you feel about coaches leaving for better job opportunity?

They have a buyout that needs to be paid. Whether they pay it or the school they're going to pays it. Most of the time the buyout that's getting paid is more than what goes into 1 year of a student athlete's scholarship.