Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Jimmy Football]

Why should you have to sit out an additional year if it’s after the season?

If you don’t like your current job and quit... you don’t have to be an unpaid intern for a year and then begin getting paid at another job.

You keep using this analogy, but it doesn't work. There are plenty of examples of real-life occupations where employees can't just quit and go work wherever they want immediately. It's very common.

If TechCorp hires an engineer out of college, I can almost guarantee you they signed a contract that would restrict them from quitting and going to work immediately for Science, Inc. doing the same job. Odds are they would have to wait a year or two.

 

[jakez4ut]

you think recruiting is cut throat now? can you imagine the shady s**t that would be going on if you could transfer w/out any restrictions? every school in the SEC would have folks at UGA right now recruiting their players.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Now people going to wreck taking a pic to post lol.

 

[Rishvol]

They can pull scholarships. It’s happening at baseball right now.

Baseball is a different animal for multiple reasons. The player gets drafted, the recruit gets drafted, and of course there's only 12.5 scholarships for 20+ players. We're talking about kids who got their feelings hurt or don't want to work hard. And you want to reward them for leaving when times get rough?

 

[31VFL]

Are there any potential surprise signings this week?

Potentially keeping our eyes on one prospect. We'll see. Should know more by tonight or tomorrow morning.

-Simonton

 

[HankHill]

that's not the same thing and you know it. c'mon. you have to have some oversight on the transfers, especially at hte undergrad level.

if you can come and go willy nilly as you please, it'd get ridiculous reallly fast, and ultimately it'd be bad for the game.

How is it different?

Coaches don’t have to “not coach” or “coach for free”for a year after switching jobs. A normal student can transfer schools and begin school immediately the following semester. If you can do that then you should be able to do the exact same and still play your sport.

 

[LIvol]

I think Bogle

 

[VolsnCards5]

Unfortunate

If this guy lives up the hype, he’s only playing two more years in college anyways

 

[Kingston Vol]

And most schools honor scholarships for players that are injured or don't live up to expectations. Make it strictly a business decision and fewer kids will be carried at a school's expense to help them get a degree or find a career. UT hasn't "processed" very much dead weight at all.

Eh, as soon as it becomes a numbers issue you and I both know the fat is trimmed in favor of new players.

And as far as the money goes, the players make more money for the program than the program spends on them.

 

[HankHill]

Baseball is a different animal for multiple reasons. The player gets drafted, the recruit gets drafted, and of course there's only 12.5 scholarships for 20+ players. We're talking about kids who got their feelings hurt or don't want to work hard. And you want to reward them for leaving when times get rough?

Why is this an emotional stand point. It has nothing to do with”kids getting their feelings hurt, millennials, etc”. It’s about putting themselves in a better opportunity. It’s so lazy to pull that card. Everyone constantly says butch jones lied to JG...if he transferred after QD started would he have been a pouty baby with his feelings hurt?

What if the kid from Maryland who died wanted to transfer away from Maryland Bc the way they were players...but didn’t bc he didn’t want to sit out a year.

 

[VolGee4]

Students aren't employees, but if they want to be, they can start paying taxes.

 

[HankHill]

that's not the same thing and you know it. c'mon. you have to have some oversight on the transfers, especially at hte undergrad level.

if you can come and go willy nilly as you please, it'd get ridiculous reallly fast, and ultimately it'd be bad for the game.

Bad for the game but good for the player, right?

 

[Jimmy Football]

Why is this an emotional stand point. It has nothing to do with”kids getting their feelings hurt, millennials, etc”. It’s about putting themselves in a better opportunity. It’s so lazy to pull that card. Everyone constantly says butch jones lied to JG...if he transferred after QD started would he have been a pouty baby with his feelings hurt?

What if the kid from Maryland who died wanted to transfer away from Maryland Bc the way they were players...but didn’t bc he didn’t want to sit out a year.

"Allow free transfers or kids will die" is a disingenuous argument.

 

[jakez4ut]

How is it different?

Coaches don’t have to “not coach” or “coach for free”for a year after switching jobs. A normal student can transfer schools and begin school immediately the following semester. If you can do that then you should be able to do the exact same and still play your sport.

student at university doesn't equate to employee for a company.

two completely different relationships. and the reason it's different for a student athlete on scholarship is because he's on schalarship for that specific purpose of playing football.

and the reason the rules exist for transfers are precisely what has already been discussed up to t his point. it would be awful for the game if you could transfer whenever/wherever you want for whatever reason.

why do you think they have tampering rules in the NFL? rules set up on how free agency works? because if htey didn't it'd be a free for all, and it would degrade the game.

 

[HankHill]

"Allow free transfers or kids will die" is a disingenuous argument.

Should Maryland players have been allowed to transfer without penalty after it was found the way the program was being run?

 

[lmoore944]

I think Bogle

Wright signing early IMO

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

Eh, as soon as it becomes a numbers issue you and I both know the fat is trimmed in favor of new players.

And as far as the money goes, the players make more money for the program than the program spends on them.

But that's how investments work. The university makes an investment in the kid and expects to see a return. Likewise, the kid makes in investment in their own future by going to a university. Even if they never play professional ball, they'll have an opportunity to get a degree which can only help them. Most people expects their investments to make more than they ever put in....that's the point.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Should Maryland players have been allowed to transfer without penalty after it was found the way the program was being run?

Probably, but that's not what anyone is arguing, and that's not what you were implying.

 

[VolGee4]

Eh, as soon as it becomes a numbers issue you and I both know the fat is trimmed in favor of new players.

And as far as the money goes, the players make more money for the program than the program spends on them.

Your last sentence is so short-sighted. Those players who are third and fourth on the depth chart don't make money for the program, yet they are getting 4/5 years worth of so many benefits, including an education.

Those players who are starters or maybe second on the depth chart are probably making money for the program, but they are the ones who use 3/4 years to develop themselves for a professional paycheck, which they benefit from making real money.

 

[HankHill]

student at university doesn't equate to employee for a company.

two completely different relationships. and the reason it's different for a student athlete on scholarship is because he's on schalarship for that specific purpose of playing football.

and the reason the rules exist for transfers are precisely what has already been discussed up to t his point. it would be awful for the game if you could transfer whenever/wherever you want for whatever reason.

why do you think they have tampering rules in the NFL? rules set up on how free agency works? because if htey didn't it'd be a free for all, and it would degrade the game.

No one is saying for it to be a free for all.

Finish the year out, enter the transfer portal which is already in place, After the season you Are basically a free agent (February) ...If a school wants you then transfer there then do it and be eligible in August. The school you left from gets to use your scholarship spot the following year. Ie: Georgia can sign 25. Fields leaves. Next year they can sign 26.
Setting a year is just a waste of time.

 

[jakez4ut]

Bad for the game but good for the player, right?

not really. how is a player going to get what he needs, where he wants to go if he can just transfer wheneve he wants?

i haven't thought about it enough to really get in to all the different scenarios that could unfold, but i think at this point Hank, you're letting a few exceptions manage the whole process and generally, when we do that, it turns out bad.

are there casualties of this process? yeah. is it always fair? no. does that mean you turn off the rules and let everybody do whatever htey want w/out restriction? definitely not.

sometimes that's just life. and in the case of fields, he and his family just made a poor decision going to a school that was as loaded at QB as they were. and generally, that's how a lot of these casualties happen ....poor decision making on the front end.

 

[TheTimeIsNow]

Any big news today folks?

 

[Rishvol]

Why is this an emotional stand point. It has nothing to do with”kids getting their feelings hurt, millennials, etc”. It’s about putting themselves in a better opportunity. It’s so lazy to pull that card. Everyone constantly says butch jones lied to JG...if he transferred after QD started would he have been a pouty baby with his feelings hurt?

What if the kid from Maryland who died wanted to transfer away from Maryland Bc the way they were players...but didn’t bc he didn’t want to sit out a year.

When did I say anything about millennials? Besides these kids aren't millennials they're gen Z. And with Fields, and many other players, they want to transfer because they believed a lie that was promised to them. They're thinking with emotions and not with their head. They're not being mature in their decision making. Not all but a very high majority. They shouldn't be allowed to go from school to school with out any punishment because if they do most will end up at 4 schools and never play a down of football in their college career. With you scenario this is practically a given.

If a Maryland player wanted to transfer after what happened over the summer then they should've been allowed forgiveness on they year wait because that's a legitimate hardship. Believing a recruiting lie and getting out of sorts is not a hardship and that player should sit out a year.

 

[HankHill]

You

Your last sentence is so short-sighted. Those players who are third and fourth on the depth chart don't make money for the program, yet they are getting 4/5 years worth of so many benefits, including an education.

Those players who are starters or maybe second on the depth chart are probably making money for the program, but they are the ones who use 3/4 years to develop themselves for a professional paycheck, which they benefit from making real money.

But that person who is Lower on a depth chart could be Jalen Hurd at Baylor or kyler Murray at Oklahoma or Alvin kamara at TN. No reason to not let players better themselves the same way coaches can.

 

[jakez4ut]

No one is saying for it to be a free for all.

Finish the year out, enter the transfer portal which is already in place, After the season you Are basically a free agent (February) ...If a school wants you then transfer there then do it and be eligible in August. The school you left from gets to use your scholarship spot the following year. Ie: Georgia can sign 25. Fields leaves. Next year they can sign 26.
Setting a year is just a waste of time.

that's still a free for all. no oversight, no restriction. enter your name in to the portal (the draft) and see who comes calling?

nah, terrible idea. what if you enter your name, but you don't like the onest hat come calling? i'm at UGA now, but the only school that answered me was Cinncinatti? do i get to turn them down and just go back to UGA? or does UGA say "tough s**t, we recruited over you"

now what?

slippery slope here. it's a bad idea.