Stability wins in the SEC

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HonestVol24 said:
We lost all stability when fulmer was fired. Throughout sec history when you lose or fire an iconic hall of fame caliber coach there’s most always a 4-6 year period where big time programs have bad/mediocre years before getting back, sometimes it takes even longer. It’s happened to Florida, bama multiple times, Auburn, Georgia etc. whether is was right or the wrong time to fire fulmer has been talked to death. You don’t fire big time coaches unless you have an ace up your sleeve to replace him and we had bad luck with our ace. Now we’re suffering the consequences. Alabama went through the same 10 year stretch prior to saban (although never this bad). Georgia is where they are because mark richt built a stable program. Our fan base would have ran him off long before Georgia did. Kirby didn’t do anything special. Just walked into a loaded roster and kept the ball rolling in recruiting. The 2 best teams in our league are where they are because of stability. Stability makes it possible to recruit at high levels and go to the next level. When Tennessee and Florida ran the sec for a decade or so it was because we were the most stable programs. Until our fan base and administration have patience, which at this point is hard, we’re going to continue to go through the same exact cycle. Firing coaches and wanting them fired year after year doesn’t fix programs, it sets it back even more. Fulmer was brought back to stabilize the program and excerize the patience needed to bring it back. That’s what he’s doing with Pruitt. It’s going to take a few years and multiple classes but I’ll ride with Phil any day of the week. Have patience. Stop being the fire coaches every year fan base. It just makes the process that much longer. We finally have a Tennessee guy running the program again, well be back.
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UT was plenty willing to be stable with Butch and gave him 5 years, and he imploded.
Bama has replaced its DC twice in a short period of time. Numerous OCs. The key is a solid HC and a competent AD and support system.
 
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HonestVol24 said:
Our stupid fan base, absolutely.
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"it's the fans' fault"...meh.
HonestVol24 said:
Winning creates stability? Read a sec history book. If your program is in the trash can and has no players How do you win? You recruit, take your lumps for a couple years, build stability and then start winning. The “just hire the right guy, and win right away” attitude is why were here right now in This position. Took dabo 5+ years to build Clemson’s stability and look where they are. He didn’t win to create stability, he got beat a lot and the administration didn’t panic. We would have ran him off after year 3 because we love thinking hiring coaches over And over is the cure. Fans only want quick fixes, it doesn’t exist. Not in this game
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he won the ACC in year 3 and went to a BCS bowl.
 
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Y’all do realize nick saban and his whole staff would need 3 years minimum to contend for the east at Tennessee with this roster he’d inherit. But fans are really saying after one year of coaching a big east roster, “I’m not sure Pruitt can get it done”. Our fans are so stupid it’s mind blowing.
 
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jakez4ut said:
"it's the fans' fault"...meh.

he won the ACC in year 3 and went to a BCS bowl.
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He won the lame ass acc and got beat in the bowl. Going 10-4 in year 3 in the acc is like butch going 9-4 in sec in year 3. Doesn’t mean anything. As I said, it took him 5+ years to build them into a national title contender. His recruiting And building stability in the program is why they’re where they are. Winning never comes first. Not even with saban at bama. Dumbest fan base in America 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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HonestVol24 said:
He won the lame ass acc and got beat in the bowl. Going 10-4 in year 3 in the acc is like butch going 9-4 in sec in year 3. Doesn’t mean anything. As I said, it took him 5+ years to build them into a national title contender. His recruiting And building stability in the program is why they’re where they are. Winning never comes first. Not even with saban at bama. Dumbest fan base in America 🤦🏻‍♂️
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lol. this is just dumb. talk about having a narrative to push, and not letting anything get in the way.......

"winning the conference doesn't matter;, i was talking about national titles"

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HonestVol24 said:
I’d love to hear an example of that happening in the sec. since I’ve got it backwards and all.
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where you been all year? Kentucky has been lauded all year for their patience with Mark Stoops leading to their 9 win season and citrus bowl berth. best year in 40 years, cause they gave stoops 6 to do it.

lol.
 
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jakez4ut said:
lol. this is just dumb. talk about having a narrative to push, and not letting anything get in the way.......

"winning the conference doesn't matter;, i was talking about national titles"

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Yeah the narrative is he was 19-16 his first 3 years at Clemson. So obviously anybody with common sense realizes his recruiting and building stability came way before winning. You claim winning comes first. That’s what dumb fans who want to hire a different coach yearly think. Thanks for giving me an example to point to. Also, the year he won the ACC only 2 teams in the whole conference were ranked. Comparing the sec to acc doesn’t really relate. Having three losses in the acc back then is like having 5-6 in the sec. but yeah thanks for making my point on which comes first.
 
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This is why I like Fulmer in the AD's role. He'll know if someone is recruiting SEC players or filler. Butch's last two years other than a handful of guys would of been the later..
 
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jakez4ut said:
where you been all year? Kentucky has been lauded all year for their patience with Mark Stoops leading to their 9 win season and citrus bowl berth. best year in 40 years, cause they gave stoops 6 to do it.

lol.
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Kentucky is actually a good example. 9 wins is the best they’re program will ever do and they had to
build stability with stoops just to get there. They didn’t win to create stability. You keep making my point. Keep going.
 
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HonestVol24 said:
Yeah the narrative is he was 19-16 his first 3 years at Clemson. So obviously anybody with common sense realizes his recruiting and building stability came way before winning. You claim winning comes first. That’s what dumb fans who want to hire a different coach yearly think. Thanks for giving me an example to point to. Also, the year he won the ACC only 2 teams in the whole conference were ranked. Comparing the sec to acc doesn’t really relate. Having three losses in the acc back then is like having 5-6 in the sec. but yeah thanks for making my point on which comes first.
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winning is winning. you picked DAbo, not me.
 
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Roustabout said:
UT was plenty willing to be stable with Butch and gave him 5 years, and he imploded.
Bama has replaced its DC twice in a short period of time. Numerous OCs. The key is a solid HC and a competent AD and support system.
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Which took them 3-4 years to build. Winning didn’t come first. Thanks for making my point.
 
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HonestVol24 said:
Kentucky is actually a good example. 9 wins is the best they’re program will ever do and they had to
build stability with stoops just to get there. They didn’t win to create stability. You keep making my point. Keep going.
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Kentucky doesn't have a choice...that's how they HAVE to run their program because they're never going to recruit well enough to where they could reload and sustain winning at that level, or better, for 5+ years..........

it took them 6 years to win 9 games. and the best team they've had in 40 years lost to the TN team coming off it's worst year in program history.

is that what we're after now?

i don't fancy myself as some unrelastic fan that demands national titles or sec titles every year.

but i definitely don't expect it to take 6 years to field a team that can win 9 games.....
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sure. Alabama. They got success first and stability followed.
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Nick saban walked into a program who was 16-8 the previous 2 years. And still went 7-6 his first year and lost to losuiana Monroe. While going 4-4 in the sec. but he won before he built stability right? But Pruitt walks into a dumpster full of **** and goes 5-7 and our fans aren’t sure about him because he didn’t win right away with bums wearing ut helmets. Dumbest fan base in America.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Kentucky doesn't have a choice...that's how they HAVE to run their program because they're never going to recruit well enough to where they could reload and sustain winning at that level, or better, for 5+ years..........

it took them 6 years to win 9 games. and the best team they've had in 40 years lost to the TN team coming off it's worst year in program history.

is that what we're after now?

i don't fancy myself as some unrelastic fan that demands national titles or sec titles every year.

but i definitely don't expect it to take 6 years to field a team that can win 9 games.....
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The situation Pruitt walked into Is going to take every bit of 4+ years to fix. There’s no way around it. Will our idiot fan base give him 4 years? Zero chance.
 
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HonestVol24 said:
Nick saban walked into a program who was 16-8 the previous 2 years. And still went 7-6 his first year and lost to losuiana Monroe. While going 4-4 in the sec. but he won before he built stability right? But Pruitt walks into a dumpster full of **** and goes 5-7 and our fans aren’t sure about him because he didn’t win right away with bums wearing ut helmets. Dumbest fan base in America.
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Well.. I mean know one knows if he's going to make a good head coach. He's never been one til now. He did ok this year at times, looked like hot garbage at times as well. It was inconsistent. Needs to show a lot of improvement next year or those voices get louder. Nature of being the head coach here.
 
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#121
HonestVol24 said:
Nick saban walked into a program who was 16-8 the previous 2 years. And still went 7-6 his first year and lost to losuiana Monroe. While going 4-4 in the sec. but he won before he built stability right? But Pruitt walks into a dumpster full of **** and goes 5-7 and our fans aren’t sure about him because he didn’t win right away with bums wearing ut helmets. Dumbest fan base in America.
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The question you asked wasn’t about Pruitt. You asked me who had success in the SEC before they had stability.

Nick Saban at Alabama. They were very unstable before Saban and he was successful by year 2.

You’re welcome.
 
#122
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Cartervol said:
Well.. I mean know one knows if he's going to make a good head coach. He's never been one til now. He did ok this year at times, looked like hot garbage at times as well. It was inconsistent. Needs to show a lot of improvement next year or those voices get louder. Nature of being the head coach here.
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He’s def built to handle the stress and noise of ut. That’s part of being here but he didn’t look good or bad to me this year. I can’t judge a coach that has to play with zero talent and try to win in this league. When he gets his own guys in here and has a year or 2 to develop them we’ll see. All I know is if he gets his players in here he’s defenses will be lethal. They have been at bama Georgia and FSU with guys he’s recruited and developed. Like all coaches his future here depends on recruiting and development. Until he hasn’t time to do that none of us know how good or bad he is. But judging him off coaching players that aren’t sec caliber and don’t fit his scheme isn’t fair it’s dumb. Next year will the same as this year. Year 3 we need to be moving up. But imo 4-5 years is what he’ll need to compete with giergia in the east.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The question you asked wasn’t about Pruitt. You ask me who had success in the SEC before they had stability.

Nick Saban at Alabama. They were very unstable before Saban and he was successful by year 2.

You’re welcome.
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They went 10-2 two years prior to him being there. The roster had talent and had multiple players drafted in the first 4 rounds his first year. Very unstable? Keep showing off your sec knowledge. It’s funny. When tennessee is 16-8 in a 2 year stretch I hope you’ll be here calling us unstable also 😂
 
#124
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HonestVol24 said:
They went 10-2 two years prior to him being there. The roster had talent and had multiple players drafted in the first 4 rounds his first year. Very unstable? Keep showing off your sec knowledge. It’s funny. When tennessee is 16-8 in a 2 year stretch I hope you’ll be here calling us unstable also 😂
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Are you trying to prove yourself wrong? You said stability comes before success.

Are you calling Alabama stable before Saban?
 
#125
#125
HonestVol24 said:
Nick saban walked into a program who was 16-8 the previous 2 years. And still went 7-6 his first year and lost to losuiana Monroe. While going 4-4 in the sec. but he won before he built stability right? But Pruitt walks into a dumpster full of **** and goes 5-7 and our fans aren’t sure about him because he didn’t win right away with bums wearing ut helmets. Dumbest fan base in America.
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Saban who Is the greatest coach of all time, and has done what no other coach ever has with this dynasty. Walked into a great situation and still took him 3 years to win the sec. and he’s the greatest ever. But we complain about Pruitt coaching bad players and think he’s not the right guy after one year. Think about that.
 
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