Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I posted verbatim what was said. Go argue with someone else that wants to waste their time
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I get it but you argued
That "their tune had changed"
When it fact in their tune was exactly the same.

The only point is this is where "I think"
"It may" and "it could" quotes from VQ turn into said facts which is a problem
 
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Kingston Vol said:
He was promised that he could run his offense with no interference and that promise (along with the pay) resulted in him taking a pay cut and basically making a lateral move from a job standpoint. But he was not allowed to run the offense he wanted, and instead was forced to run some mix of what Pruitt wanted and what Will Friend wanted. When the offense struggled as a result of 1) the mixed messages and 2) operating a power running system without the personnel for it, Pruitt attacked him for it instead of backing off and allowing him to run his offense.

He was then pulled from the booth - where he preferred to coach - so that Pruitt could more closely watch him and “keep an eye on him” and the plays he was calling. Again, that’s not how you treat another adult/peer you hired to do a job.

The public tongue lashings were the last straw. He was embarrassed - as any of us would be - and didn’t like being the scapegoat.

He was going to do whatever it took to get out of here after the season. It just so happens he fell forward into a head coaching job.
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Yup.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Bass, you and I both know VQ knows what they’re talking about and they don’t drop that kind of information lightly.
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I just listened to the podcast and heard what Rob said. He wasn't "Dropping information" with that remark. Simoton said, "I do think some people are picking up the phone and calling Helton" and Rob said, "I think a lot of people are calling Tyson Helton and I wonder if he's not pickup up the phone and calling some people." That was all that was said. "I wonder" - Rob Lewis. Not exactly dropping bombs, guys.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
It's honestly better to watch than baseball. Softball is played at a faster pace.

The girls actually put in as much work as the boys and play more games than the boys do when they're coming up.
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I love both, but you still just need two really good pitchers. Maybe even one.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I agree Ron. You know who else is being yelled at every week? Chaney and Locksley. Kiffin was chewed up and down the field every game. He was on the sports channels being laughed at for Saban humilitiating him.

In other words, this isn’t new. Helton was paid 1.2 mil and he did a crappy job. If he’s calling people that’s unprofessional. I don’t know if it’s happening, I just posted what the VQ guys said.
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I don’t know ultimately if Tyson Helton is a good offensive coordinator. But what I know as an absolute fact is the offense we saw this season is not Tyson Helton’s offense.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
I just listened to the podcast and heard what Rob said. He wasn't "Dropping information" with that remark. Simoton said, "I do think some people are picking up the phone and calling Helton" and Rob said, "I think a lot of people are calling Tyson Helton and I wonder if he's not pickup up the phone and calling some people." That was all that was said. "I wonder" - Rob Lewis. Not exactly dropping bombs, guys.
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We’ve talked about this 100x or more about recruiting information. They have a way of playing coy about information.

It doesn’t come up that way unless they’ve heard things to affirm it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
We’ve talked about this 100x or more about recruiting information. They have a way of playing coy about information.

It doesn’t come up that way unless they’ve heard things to affirm it.
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I don't think thats the case always. If it were a fact Rob would have said so or left off the "I wonder" part. Either way, if Tyson Helton, in fact, has picked up the phone and called people to badmouth Pruitt in hopes of making his OC search more difficult that reflects MUCH worse on Helton than Pruitt. If I'm the WKU AD I'm wondering why my new HC isn't 100% focused on the job I'm paying him to do.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
"I think a lot of people are calling Tyson Helton and I wonder if he's not pickup up the phone and calling some people." That was all that was said. "I wonder" - Rob Lewis. Not exactly dropping bombs, guys.
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So bass I thought you were bringing info word for word?



Bassmaster_Vol said:
Lewis thinks that he is picking up the phone and calling people. Not just taking calls. If true, then I guess he is willing to burn bridges
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I’m just saying, Helton was not the only guy Pruitt yelled at on the sidelines this year. Helton was the odd man out from the get go. All SEC staff then some guy who’s been kicking it on the Cali beach?

Not gonna lie. I just don’t think Helton is cut out for SEC football. Everything Is more magnified down here - included the ass chewings you might get from your HC. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the X’s and O’s ability to have been successful here, but there’s a lot of other pressures that come with an SEC job and to me it sounds like he couldn’t take it. Was Pruitt maybe a little hard on him? Possibly. Am I going to blame the HC for wanting and expecting things to be done his way? Nope.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t know ultimately if Tyson Helton is a good offensive coordinator. But what I know as an absolute fact is the offense we saw this season is not Tyson Helton’s offense.
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An OC worth his salt is not going to come here and abandon his offensive philosophy to run the 3 grunts and a punt offense that Pruitt wants either. Pruitt needs to leave the offense to the offensive coordinator and give him free reign or we are in trouble.
 
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jp1 said:
They have them. Weekly just keeps changing all the good ones. Every pitcher that has played over there lately has gotten worse in my opinion.
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I love our team. My point was that I don't like softball as much as baseball because the game can be absolutely dominated by one or two players in any kind of series. The pitching mound needs to move back, IMO.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t know ultimately if Tyson Helton is a good offensive coordinator. But what I know as an absolute fact is the offense we saw this season is not Tyson Helton’s offense.
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I know what VQ has said, and it is that Pruitt did not get involved in the offense until it was going bad. So I think we can say that Helton was not good here. Even if a head coach says we want to be a running football team, he can do that because he’s the head coach. Every head coach does that. But then Helton calls run plays on 75% of first and second down. Pruitt is not calling the plays. That’s Helton and that’s bad play calling
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
“I think some people are calling Tyson Helton” (laughs)- Simonton, “I think A LOT of people are calling Tyson Helton” (laughs louder) “I bet there are no secrets in college football coaching circles about what it was like on this staff last year”-Rob Lewis. “I don’t disagree with that” -Hubbs
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Sounds like opinions though. Hubbs stated something totally different when asked to respond to that with a factual answer when on 104.5.

Another example of where Pruitt has kept this process silent and the media are guessing rather than reporting factual leaks.
 
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I just listened to the podcast. It sounded more like speculation and rambling than news being dropped. They said “I think” before each statement. JMO. Most people are going to interpret things how they want, and we definitely have some people here who want to stir people up and speculate.
 
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