Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Fulmer was also fielding top 5 football teams in the fall.

The 2 are directly correlated
Sure, but I don’t think it’s a 1:1 correlation.

Kirby signed a top 5 class after going 7-6. Butch signed a top 5 class (I think it was top 5) after going 6-6. Kiffin was going to have a top 5 class at 7-5. Dabo had great recruiting classes for a while before it clicked on the field.

There are ways to effectively sell the future without having success on the field. It’s on our coaches to figure out how to do that.
 
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Just because you’re a great coordinator doesn’t mean that translates to being a head coach at all. It has nothing to do with losing the games. It’s the way his team completely quit. Blame the players all you want but that falls back on the coach too.

Also he hired Helton and couldn’t get a long with him. He ran him off whether that is for better or worse.

He also fired Gillespie is a better recruiter and RB coach than Weinke.

I’m not saying I’m done with Pruitt or i don’t think he can win but he has to be better for us to win games. What he’s done so far isn’t cutting it.
Well, if you have one foot out the door on Pruitt, you might as well say you have one foot out the door on the football program. Who would be willing to come to this program now? With each year that he is here with more and more of the players he has recruited that won't quit on him, and he gets the staff he doesn't want to run off, the better the program is going to be to get a better coach. He's never had players quit on him before. I taught school. Sometimes when you're a demanding perfectionist you get amazing results. Sometimes you get nothing but moaning and complaining. The moaners and complainers feed off each other. The fewer you have the more you can accomplish. It's easy to sit back and pick apart everything that seems to have been done wrong. It's not always easy to see why some choices were made over other choices. It's way too early to be deciding if he will be a successful head coach even if you're uncomfortable with some of the choices made.
 
Sure, but I don’t think it’s a 1:1 correlation.

Kirby signed a top 5 class after going 7-6. Butch signed a top 5 class (I think it was top 5) after going 6-6. Kiffin was going to have a top 5 class at 7-5. Dabo had great recruiting classes for a while before it clicked on the field.

There are ways to effectively sell the future without having success on the field. It’s on our coaches to figure out how to do that.

You aren’t signing a top 5 class at Tennessee after going 2-14 in conference the years prior. It’s just not gonna happen.

Tennessee ain’t Georgia
 
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Yeah, there are all kinds of excuses and caveats we can offer for why this year or that year didn’t go as well as it could have. All I’m saying is we have absolutely no reason to think Pruitt will be any better than Jones except for wishcasting.

And I’m not saying he won’t be better than Jones or that he’s going to fail. I’m just saying I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’ll be any better yet. Maybe he will. Maybe he won’t. We need more data.

I am in favor of giving him 5 years regardless of what happens.
i don't really think they're excuses, there is a reason he was hired, and someone was fired after all.

but the rest, i agree.
 
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No, I don’t think it’s great. 10-15 is a pretty average class by Tennessee standards. At his prime, Fulmer was pulling top 5 classes every year.

That’s how you build a real contending team.
Sure but Fulmer wasn’t coming off of 4-8, 5-7, and he also didn’t deal with two juggernauts like Bama and Ga. you can win with top 10 classes that has been proven. Again, I want a GA type class also, but I’ll be happy if we’re in the top 10 but disappointed if it’s lower than that
 
You aren’t signing a top 5 class at Tennessee after going 2-14 in conference the years prior. It’s just not gonna happen.

Tennessee ain’t Georgia

Correct. I don’t think people realize we only have won two conference games in two years....

They just look at overall record and are like yup we got better. Until we show we can contend in the conference we won’t have a top 5 class. That being said, hopefully we contend in the conference this coming year.
 
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i don't really think they're excuses, there is a reason he was hired, and someone was fired after all.

but the rest, i agree.
Well, look at it this way: there was reason to think Dooley would be a success based on year 1. He was one game worse than Kiffin with massive tumult and a bust of a roster. There was also reason to think Butch would be a success based on year 1. He won an additional SEC game over Dooley’s last two years and was working with a joke of an OL and one of the slowest teams I’ve ever seen.

We just don’t have enough information to comfortably prognosticate on Pruitt.
 
Sure, but I don’t think it’s a 1:1 correlation.

Kirby signed a top 5 class after going 7-6. Butch signed a top 5 class (I think it was top 5) after going 6-6. Kiffin was going to have a top 5 class at 7-5. Dabo had great recruiting classes for a while before it clicked on the field.

There are ways to effectively sell the future without having success on the field. It’s on our coaches to figure out how to do that.
Butch signed a top 5 class because he had a bunch of highly rated legacy recruits. Kirby signs top 5 classes because the state of Georgia is loaded every year with talent, Pruitt would sign a top 5 class at Georgia too.
 
Sure, but I don’t think it’s a 1:1 correlation.

Kirby signed a top 5 class after going 7-6. Butch signed a top 5 class (I think it was top 5) after going 6-6. Kiffin was going to have a top 5 class at 7-5. Dabo had great recruiting classes for a while before it clicked on the field.

There are ways to effectively sell the future without having success on the field. It’s on our coaches to figure out how to do that.
You said Jones wasn’t the standard but here you bring him up. So let’s compare. Wasn’t there like 32 kids in that class? How many composite 5 stars? Pruitt will land at least 2 composite 5 stars this year. I think Jones landed 3 his entire time at TN.

Jones also had the benefit of legacy players and, as we know now looking back, many of his 4 star recruits were recruits he didn’t have much competition for I.e not wanted by other top teams. This has been confirmed by Callahan and VQ guys, not just fan speculation.

As I said, if Pruitt lands these guys were still in on, he will sign a better class than Butch ever did here in spite of the ranking
 
If we pull the #10 class that is a huge accomplishment and if you complain about it you are a

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Sure but Fulmer wasn’t coming off of 4-8, 5-7, and he also didn’t deal with two juggernauts like Bama and Ga. you can win with top 10 classes that has been proven. Again, I want a GA type class also, but I’ll be happy if we’re in the top 10 but disappointed if it’s lower than that
I'll be happy with a class in the range of 10-15...start with a good base and then try to get a higher class next year.
 
Worth noting Georgia was 11-5 in conference the 2 years prior to Kirby, Vols were 2-14 pre Pruitt

2 situations aren’t remotely comparable

No they’re not. But You can absolutely recruit to Tennessee coming of a deplorable string of seasons. If not, I guess Pruitt will never dig himself out considering we just posted another losing season with mediocre talent.

Wanya and Lampley are not enough to do that. Secondary could be sneaky good but front seven recruiting is lacking.
 
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