Hypocritical, or not?

Do you support the hiring of Hugh Freeze as OC?

  • yes

    Votes: 420 89.2%

  • no

    Votes: 51 10.8%
  • Total voters
    471
  • Poll closed .
#26
#26
JMSqb11 said:
Would love to actually hear from someone who said or voted no.

At the end of the day, only crazy people brought up the Penn State stuff. The majority of the fan base didn’t want Schiano because he’s a horrible coach and that has been proven right by two instances: his demotion to CO-DC and the fact he didn’t get the interim when Urban was out.

I actually question the sanity of the people who post that Schiano covered something up or allowed it to continue as the main reason for not wanting him. I hated the PSU scandal but it’s hard to say heresay testimony in court should be biggest disqualifying factor against him. His coaching record disqualified him enough.


Hiring Freeze would totally be seen as hypocritical but the situations are nothing alike. What someone does in their personal life is no one’s business. The biggest thing I see is that Freeze’s wife is standing by him. If she can forgive him, no one else has any damn right to say anything on the matter. Recruiting at Tennessee is infitiely better than Ole Miss when money isn’t involved.

I’m sure the Wolken’s of the world will be blasting Tennessee but at the end of the day, he is simply anti Tennessee because he lost his direct line into one of the biggest Atheletic Departments in the country.

If Freeze is hired, Phil and Pruitt should be United in saying they believe in forgiveness and second chances but there will be a tight leash. Some of the greatest people in history have had issues or problems and have came back ten fold with a positive impact after getting a second chance. I literally see no downside on hiring Freeze. I see tons of downside of not hiring him.
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I was willing to take a flyer on Schiano up until I learned of the allegation. Then I said hell no...mainly due to the questions that would have followed and we’re a school where ESPN likes to camp. Perfectly sane take.
 
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Codaman said:
I mean he honestly does a good job at Ohio State, but he’s just a garage human being lol. I don’t care what Herbstreit says about him.
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If he is a good coach, why did he get demoted last offseason after not getting the UT job? Why did he not get the interim job when Urban was out? For someone that was surely equipped and prepared to take on a major rebuild of Tennessee, those who backed and vouched for him sure had no problem demoting and skipping over him.....
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If he is a good coach, why did he get demoted last offseason after not getting the UT job? Why did he not get the interim job when Urban was out? For someone that was surely equipped and prepared to take on a major rebuild of Tennessee, those who backed and vouched for him sure had no problem demoting and skipping over him.....
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Look Lane Kiffin, the OSU defense has been alright. But like I said everywhere the man has went, people have said disparaging things about his character and I don’t think everyone is wrong. The dude is a trash human being.
 
#30
#30
If it makes doubters feel better I’ll start a go fund me page for his burner phones.

Problem solved... hire him
 
#32
#32
JMSqb11 said:
Since I am the "Someone" in your comment, feel free to go back and look at every post of mine. Was very anti Schiano based on his coaching record and character issues from his two year stint in Tampa. The loudest voices (aka some media folks) made the whole revolt about Penn State when in reality, the majority didn't want Schiano over his coaching ability and the fact he was baked in well in advance by the Haslam/Currie wing.
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Naw man you were the only one. Just read the threads here. Everyone esle, besides you didnt want him because penn st
 
#33
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Codaman said:
Look Lane Kiffin, the OSU defense has been alright. But like I said everywhere the man has went, people have said disparaging things about his character and I don’t think everyone is wrong. The dude is a trash human being.
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Is the defense at OSU "alright" because of Schiano's demotion and Alex Grinch's arrival at DC or nah? At the end of the day, if Schiano was this great coach, he wouldn't have gotten demoted like he did. Schiano just isn't a good head coach.
 
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volfannbama said:
People didny want schiano cause of penn st. Stop fooling yourself.
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Not all people and that's how you should say it. I didn't even know about him and Penn St. Never heard of him and that's why I didn't want him.

On Allegedly. Speaking for me only, I'd rather have someone guilty of setting up hookers for football players as an OC and it in his past, than have someone as a HC that "allegedly" was involved in covering up the raping of young boys, that still is unknown.
 
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#36
#36
I don't think it's going to matter what we could offer him because I think nick saTan will make him the OC at alabubba ad the SEC will then say all is forgiven.

Despite what anyone may think it's the BIG $$$ and nick saTan at alabummer that control the big shots at the SEC office.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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mikepotts said:
I was listening to a local sports radio show this morning and they were polling this as well. At the time the poll was 62% in favor of the hire (IIRC) but it seemed like their number would drop from the conversation. I was curious what the thoughts of membership here were.

My $0.02... I was NOT in favor of the Schiano hire, but not for the consensus reason. I didnt care for his coaching record/results. That being said i was not enthused about the Pruitt hire either, but we all set ourselves up for the "big splash" hire and we (for the most part) were underwhelmed with what we got. For me the jury is still out with CJP, but i am giving him a fair shake and showing my support.

The argument on the radio was that he (Freeze) is a good coach but a bad guy... and it would by hypocritical to hire Freeze after not hiring Schiano. I feel like it would be hypocritical to claim to be a christian and not want one guy... but on the other hand not show forgiveness and giving the other guy a second chance to prove he is sorry for what he did...

This whole conversation can get deep, im keeping this first post as simple as i can and keeping the poll simple just to get an idea. Please explain your stand/why you made your choice.
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I think Shiano is probably a really good coach. I don't think Urban Meyer would have hired him as his DC if he wasn't. But in my opinion, you can't have the first or second question in his opening press conference be what did you know about child rape while you were at Penn St. That's the only reason I did not want Shiano.
 
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mikepotts said:
I was listening to a local sports radio show this morning and they were polling this as well. At the time the poll was 62% in favor of the hire (IIRC) but it seemed like their number would drop from the conversation. I was curious what the thoughts of membership here were.

My $0.02... I was NOT in favor of the Schiano hire, but not for the consensus reason. I didnt care for his coaching record/results. That being said i was not enthused about the Pruitt hire either, but we all set ourselves up for the "big splash" hire and we (for the most part) were underwhelmed with what we got. For me the jury is still out with CJP, but i am giving him a fair shake and showing my support.

The argument on the radio was that he (Freeze) is a good coach but a bad guy... and it would by hypocritical to hire Freeze after not hiring Schiano. I feel like it would be hypocritical to claim to be a christian and not want one guy... but on the other hand not show forgiveness and giving the other guy a second chance to prove he is sorry for what he did...

This whole conversation can get deep, im keeping this first post as simple as i can and keeping the poll simple just to get an idea. Please explain your stand/why you made your choice.
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Apples and oranges on this one. I didn't want Schiano because he was a terrible hire, a terrible coach. It just so happened that he was also at Penn State during the dark years and that was what was used to negate that hire, or spur the protest. Freeze did some bad stuff as well, but is a much better coach. Bottom line on being a Christian is that we are supposed to work through forgiveness on these things. Jesus loves Greg and Hugh just as much as he loves me, but even Jesus knows Hugh is a much better coach.
 
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#39
volfannbama said:
Yeah its hypocritical, but after a week noone will care. Doesnt matter, not happening
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I don't believe it happens either, but it matters what others think about it as much as anything else.

If it doesn't matter to you, maybe you should get your little happy ass out. Lulz.
 
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#40
Long term it's not a good hire. have to sit in a living room with mommas and answer questions about taking care of their sons. You don't want that to be a large part of the conversation.
 
#41
#41
I know this isnt a fair comparison guys... but the media and all of the Vols haters are going to make the comparison and I think this is what will ultimately keep UT from hiring Freeze... not because its fair, but because thats the way people are.
 
#44
#44
Special Ed said:
What's wrong with hiring prostitutes?
That's what they're there for.
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Worlds oldest and most honest profession.
Pure capitalism. Supply and demand.
Legalize it and regulate it. Over 18 only. Medical insurance and safe venues for workers.
 
#46
#46
Yes..

The man screwed up. He has apologized and asked for forgiveness. I'll take him at his word until he proves otherwise. Totally different situation from Shamoo and I won't compare the two.

That said, UT supporters/alum love our school, but we need to get past this view that we are somehow morally superior to all other schools. WE'RE NOT..

The student athletes deserve the chance to actually compete at a HIGH level in the SEC. The fans/alum that support this institution deserve a quality product for the money they invest. The administration MUST take serious steps to make sure this happens.
 
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#47
#47
aaronvol said:
Long term it's not a good hire. have to sit in a living room with mommas and answer questions about taking care of their sons. You don't want that to be a large part of the conversation.
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Easy conversation.
Freeze: (while washing dishes with recruits Mama in her kitchen)....”yeah, I strayed.....and right after taking my deserved punishment from my ever lovin’ wonderful wife....I got right down on my knees and asked Jesus to forgive me my sins and cure my lustful heart. And, right then and there on my kitchen floor it was like a bolt of lightning 🌩 jolted right thru my heart. I knew then that I had another chance in the eyes of the Lord....and with his forgiveness and my wife’s forgiveness, I then started calling every player that ever played for me and asked for their forgiveness for me letting them down.....and, to a man, they all did. How about that. I am so truly blessed.”

Mama: “ Bless your heart. God is good. Where does my boy sign the scholarship papers?”
 
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#48
#48
What's funny to me is a couple of people acting like they are appalled at the idea some of us would approve hiring the hooker calling coach, and think its hypocritical because of the Schiano mess. They're the same ones always "hating", on other UT fans. Its like they don't really care about the actual issue or subject being discussed, they just want to be condescending.

Anyway, I wonder what they actually think about hiring Freeze, honestly.
 
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#49
#49
It’s stupid that prostitution is illegal anyway. I don’t care what Freeze did with consenting adults.

What Schiano allegedly did would classify him as scum... assuming it’s true.

As far as PR goes, the allegations of the one is worse than the actions of the other.
 
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#50
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Behr said:
Not all people and that's how you should say it. I didn't even know about him and Penn St. Never heard of him and that's why I didn't want him.

On Allegedly. Speaking for me only, I'd rather have someone guilty of setting up hookers for football players as an OC and it in his past, than have someone as a HC that "allegedly" was involved in covering up the raping of young boys, that still is unknown.
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Schiano Sunday took place because if his ties to Penn St. It had nothing to do with his coaching abilities. Now, there may have been people that didnt want him because of that, but that was not the cause of what took place. I cant believe thats even being debated.

Has far as freeze, I dont care if we hire him or not because of what he did. He would be a great hire. But there is a zero percent chance of that happening.

The "allegedly" stuff, it's scary times in our country when an accusation means assumed guilt. A lady accused a lacrosse team of raping her. Women claimed a supreme court nominee sexually assualted them. All are now proven false. Your choice of what you want ti decide your criteria for a coach should be.
 
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