"I think the Hugh Freeze stuff has some legs"

The SEC didn't deny anything, they can't. He has 'done his penance' especially for a coordinator job. Sankey 'strongly advised' against hiring him and Saban said OK... It's more of an official black balling as I understand it..

Here is my thing. Let's say Fulmer said F the league office and hired Freeze anyway. What punishment could the SEC hand down? They couldn't do bowl game bans, recruiting restrictions, or scholly reductions because of a hire. I think their only way to really punish us would be to say "you have to forfeit your league games as long as he is hired."

Do I think that would hold up in court? Hell no. Especially in a TN Federal Courthouse. Also the league wouldn't risk losing the money either. It would be a long standoff, but the league office would relent.... Sankey isn't Mike Slive.
 
Why? Gruden's a loser unless he can walk into a ready made team like he did when Dungy handed him a Superbowl team at Tampa Bay. Gruden even screwed that up as he couldn't hold it together after that one and done year.
Surely you aren't basing this on 3/4 of a season right? Where's the "coach gets 4 years" motto here. He has 3 1st round picks next year, Oakland will be fine. He's in it for the long haul and the move to Vegas. To me he's doing exactly what he wants to do.
 
I think if Phil was not at the Helm and we still had the previous brain trust in place (Currie and Davenport) then Freeze would not be an option whatsoever. I am sure that Phil has some concerns with hiring pastor Freeze due to his prior transgressions, BUT he has said his main focus is to restore TN football back to its glory days. I think if CJP feels that this is the man he needs, then Phil will go to bat for him and play hardball with the SEC office to make it happen.

I previously thought Auburn would keep us from ever getting a shot at him but that's a program I would imagine that nobody would want anything to do with for the time being. They seems to be a bigger cluster bomb than us.
 
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From what I understand from listening to Chris Low and some others, the SEC can’t really do anything to block Tennessee or anyone else from hiring Freeze at this point. All they could do it put restrictions on him in recruiting.
yeah, which if the restriction is no leaving campus to recruit, for an OC, i don't know that's all that big a deal. the OC, generally, does most of his recruiting by what they put on the field, and when kids come on visits.

if that's the "hold up", i don't see that as much of one.
 
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Yeah because CJP did so much micromanaging during the game on offensive drives..... 😂

You might want to go watch some of the previous games. He barely got involved when the offense was on the field.

Pruitt has no desire to coach the defensive and offensive sides of the ball.
You might want to go look at Heltons quote after getting the WKU job.
 
I found the bylaw that supposedly gives the commissioner the right to block hires, it doesn't. In the case of Freeze any school wanting to hire him would have to consult with the commisioner but he can't block a hire.

19.8.1.2 Hiring Practices
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Member institutions shall exercise best efforts to hire individuals committed to rules compliance.
In connection with this requirement, member institutions shall thoroughly evaluate an individual’s record of rules compliance
prior to offering employment for any coaching position or noncoaching position with sport
-specific responsibilities. While each member institution makes its own hiring decisions, member institutions shall, at a minimum, request specific information
from each candidate concerning his/her rules compliance record and communicate with NCAA enforcement and the
Conference office regarding the same prior to offering employment to any candidate.
In addition, where a member institution considers hiring an individual who has engaged in unethical conduct as defined under
NCAA Bylaws or who has participated in activity that resulted, or may result, in a Level I, Level II or major infraction, the
President or Chancellor of that member institution is expected to consult directly with the Commissioner prior to offering employment to the individual.
Each member institution must include in each contract with every athletic director, coach, senior woman administrator, and other employee of its athletic department a specific provision obligating the employee to comply with the Rules and specifying
that the employee agrees to be bound by and will comply with the enforcement, penalty, and other disciplinary provisions and
procedures of the NCAA and of the Conference, including but not limited to the provisions of Article 4 of the Constitution and

SEC Bylaws
 
But, we don't know if it is true, we don't know if Pruitt actually wants him and we don't know if Fulmer is "picking" the staff.

Stop setting yourself up for disappointment. Lol.

Correct we don't know ****, I was just going off the Low (or Hubbs) quote.
 
From what I understand from listening to Chris Low and some others, the SEC can’t really do anything to block Tennessee or anyone else from hiring Freeze at this point. All they could do it put restrictions on him in recruiting.

At some point, a school needs to challenge Sankey and really push it. He needs to account for the fact that he's cool with Saban hiring Locksley and Sarkisian, but somehow Freeze is off limits...

It's the old double standard, certain sins are unforgivable while others can be overlooked.
 
I found the bylaw that supposedly gives the commissioner the right to block hires, it doesn't. In the case of Freeze any school wanting to hire him would have to consult with the commisioner but he can't block a hire.



SEC Bylaws

That's great news. Here's your consultation, Mr. Sankey: We're hiring him and if you don't like it then you can sit in Birmingham and fiddle with your Nick Saban bobblehead for all we care.
 
Correct we don't know ****, I was just going off the Low (or Hubbs) quote.
I know, just playin. Obviously I don't know chit, but I would think Phil would be on Jeremy's side on pretty much anything. I mean, he hired him. You know what I mean?
 
Here is my thing. Let's say Fulmer said F the league office and hired Freeze anyway. What punishment could the SEC hand down? They couldn't do bowl game bans, recruiting restrictions, or scholly reductions because of a hire. I think their only way to really punish us would be to say "you have to forfeit your league games as long as he is hired."

Do I think that would hold up in court? Hell no. Especially in a TN Federal Courthouse. Also the league wouldn't risk losing the money either. It would be a long standoff, but the league office would relent.... Sankey isn't Mike Slive.
A bowl ban only affects teams eligible for bowls, so we good 😎
 
I'm not so sure I'd want to tell the SEC to kiss my butt and do something they strongly advise not too. Hell, even Nick Saban didn't.

That said, I might, but I'd sure try to get them to buy off on it first.
 
Here is my thing. Let's say Fulmer said F the league office and hired Freeze anyway. What punishment could the SEC hand down? They couldn't do bowl game bans, recruiting restrictions, or scholly reductions because of a hire. I think their only way to really punish us would be to say "you have to forfeit your league games as long as he is hired."

Do I think that would hold up in court? Hell no. Especially in a TN Federal Courthouse. Also the league wouldn't risk losing the money either. It would be a long standoff, but the league office would relent.... Sankey isn't Mike Slive.
Sankey or the SEC can't do anything. That's why the requirement that the school who wants to hire such a coach make a pitch to Sankey is so odd. You're required to do it, but if Sankey doesn't approve, well, he doesn't approve. That's it. He or the conference can't stop it.

Sankey's disapproval supposedly led Saban to not hire Freeze last year, probably because he weighed the risk against Alabama's offense is going to be great anyway no matter who the OC is. Tennessee, obviously, is in a position to take such a risk.
 
Here is my thing. Let's say Fulmer said F the league office and hired Freeze anyway. What punishment could the SEC hand down? They couldn't do bowl game bans, recruiting restrictions, or scholly reductions because of a hire. I think their only way to really punish us would be to say "you have to forfeit your league games as long as he is hired."

Do I think that would hold up in court? Hell no. Especially in a TN Federal Courthouse. Also the league wouldn't risk losing the money either. It would be a long standoff, but the league office would relent.... Sankey isn't Mike Slive.

I stated this in either this thread or another. They could make it hard on UT if they strongly discouraged the hire. The last thing you want to do is throw yourself under a microscope. AL passed for that exact reason. Now this year could be totally different for the SEC and Sanky. He has been a full year out. Maybe they feel that he has served his time.
 
I know, just playin. Obviously I don't know chit, but I would think Phil would be on Jeremy's side on pretty much anything. I mean, he hired him. You know what I mean?

I agree, AD needs to support his HBC.
 
If Fulmer blocks the hire of someone the HBC wants and is not currently under NCAA sanctions, Fulmer needs to be shown the door.

my guess is Pruitt is talking to Fulmer about who is on his list... then Fulmer (as he should) is giving some advice or recommendations as well but Pruitt will be the one to choose
 
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