Basilio saying Vols must cheat and defy Sankey.

#51
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VolsFan-TX said:
Under what legal authority is the SEC denying employment to Freeze? He did not receive a restriction from the NCAA. Is it some sort of ethical standard they are relying on?
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IMO, it's more of an official 'black ball' than any legal authority..
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
They're not denying him employment, they're just saying it won't be at one of their member institutions. It's no different than you applying for a job, the company finds something in your background and denies your application. They're not stopping you from working. They're just stopping you from working for them.
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The SEC can't tell it's member institutions who they can and can't hire, even the NCAA can't do it. You can hire a coach under a show cause, there are just restrictions as to what that coach can do while under the show cause.

The whole argument about Sanky denying Saban is bull.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The day paying college players start getting paid above board is the day college football dies.
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College players have been getting paid above board for 4-5 years now. I think it is called an athletic stipend...or some such. An SEC player makes more than an OVC player. It is like $4,000 - 5,000 per year walking around money.

Admittedly, I don't really know how all that works. But, they get some legal pocket change.

More for travel to a bowl game.

More on weekends when the school doesn't feed them and they have to buy their own meals, etc.

You get the idea.
 
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hog88 said:
The SEC can't tell it's member institutions who they can and can't hire, even the NCAA can't do it. You can hire a coach under a show cause, there are just restrictions as to what that coach can do while under the show cause.

The whole argument about Sanky denying Saban is bull.
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This is a good point, this is the same coach that met with Sanky so his player who threw punches at another player wouldn't be suspended for a game. Someone is gonna say that same commissioner stopped this coach from hiring who he wants? Nah. I think someone earlier is right, Saban doesn't want Freeze back in the SEC so he and Sanky talked and they in effect black balled Freeze
 
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hog88 said:
The SEC can't tell it's member institutions who they can and can't hire, even the NCAA can't do it. You can hire a coach under a show cause, there are just restrictions as to what that coach can do while under the show cause.

The whole argument about Sanky denying Saban is bull.
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I think you're probably correct. I'm just pointing out that if they do have that kind of authority, it's no different than any other company making a hiring decision.
 
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rjd970 said:
Watch, as soon as we hire our OC I bet Freeze ends up at Bama.
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And, for good measure, for poking the bear, we'll get an unofficial 10 year "scheduling penalty", where we not only have to play Bama every year, but have them right in the middle of a 4-5 game gauntlet every year with no cupcakes in between...oh wait, we've already got that, while everyone else has spacing.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I think you're probably correct. I'm just pointing out that if they do have that kind of authority, it's no different than any other company making a hiring decision.
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Except the SEC isn't a company, it's an association and it's members cannot collude to blackball an individual from employment.
 
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#60
If the schools aren't paying recruits, the boosters are.
The ncaa can't catch everything and don't put much effort into catching the violators anyway.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
College players have been getting paid above board for 4-5 years now. I think it is called an athletic stipend...or some such. An SEC player makes more than an OVC player. It is like $4,000 - 5,000 per year walking around money.

Admittedly, I don't really know how all that works. But, they get some legal pocket change.

More for travel to a bowl game.

More on weekends when the school doesn't feed them and they have to buy their own meals, etc.

You get the idea.
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The student-athletes have advisors/people who work in student support services that help with this. From experience when I was in college at a non-FBS school, some of them are the same advisors who help set up class schedules, arrange books, etc. So those people help the athlete receive the maximum cost of attendance as defined by the school, even if their tuition and fees are well below that. For example, lets say based on the number of courses, different fees, etc, the athletes total cost of attendance is $20,000. But lets say that the maximum cost of attendance is established as $25,000. If they can find that athlete that money whether it be through the athletic scholarships or other scholarships, they can receive that $25,000, because that has been defined as the maximum cost. But since thats $5,000 over, the student athlete receives a refund check of $5,000.

Thats just an example. I think there is an established stipend as you said that came out a few years ago. But add to that all meals paid for, all housing paid for, all books paid for, all sorts of athletic clothing and shoes, etc., then it starts to add up. And thats the "legal" side of it. Who knows what some athletes get "paid" outside of that behind closed doors.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
According to the NCAA hearing officer, Freeze didn't personally commit any violations but failed in monitoring his assistants so why is there any issue?

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/o...-hugh-freeze-got-one-year-show-cause-penalty/

Greg Christopher, Xavier’s athletic director and the chief hearing officer for the Ole Miss case, said the committee felt Freeze simply didn’t know his assistants were committing the violations:

“A lot of people will throw head coach responsibility into one big bucket. But a lot of times people don’t step out and realize there are two prongs to the head coach responsibility,” Christopher said. “There’s failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and there’s failure to monitor.”

Since the committee didn’t feel as if Freeze was willfully ignoring the violations, he didn’t receive as severe of a punishment as others. But, Christopher added, the NCAA committee still wanted to send a message with the penalty:

“He did not meet the obligation in monitoring the assistant coaches and the boosters,” Christopher said. “I think by looking at both aspects of head coach responsibility you get to how we tailored the penalty.”
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I'm highly skeptical of Freeze's assistants doing things that Freeze was not aware of himself.
 
#69
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I think you're probably correct. I'm just pointing out that if they do have that kind of authority, it's no different than any other company making a hiring decision.
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Except that they are not the "company," the University of Tennessee is the company. They are not employing him.

The question is regarding the authorities of the conference over its member universities. To what degree are the universities obligated to comply with the wishes of the conference? That is, by what authority does the SEC deny the hire?
 
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Vfl2407 said:
I hadn’t listened to Tony Basilios radio show in a while.
But, just tuned in and he is going rogue.
Says that all big time schools pay players.
Says we haven’t been doing so but must start doing it to compete with the big boys.
Also saying that Pruitt and Fulmer both want Hugh Freeze but have been told by Commissioner Sankey not to.
Basilio says many power people at UT want us to ignore Sankey and hire Freeze anyway.

I know many here hate Basilio and think he’s a joke.
But, I just found what he is saying today pretty interesting.
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I've been saying this for YEARS now. Oh, well... Since Basillio said it.
The ONLY way we are going to have a rapid turnaround back to competing for CHAMPIONSHIPS is to cheat our asses off. Period.
Roids, cars, cash, ass... whatever. UT just sits here and slowly dies because they don't want the "Bad Pub"... well bad pub hasn't hurt PSU! And THAT was about the WORST bad pub you could have.
 
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YankeeVol said:
If you don't think Tennessee already is, I have some nice ocean front property in Arizona available
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HAHAHAHAHA.... we can't even CHEAT right!!! If we're cheating... we absolutely SUCK AT IT!! I'm calling BS on this one.
 
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MEDVOL said:
The student-athletes have advisors/people who work in student support services that help with this. From experience when I was in college at a non-FBS school, some of them are the same advisors who help set up class schedules, arrange books, etc. So those people help the athlete receive the maximum cost of attendance as defined by the school, even if their tuition and fees are well below that. For example, lets say based on the number of courses, different fees, etc, the athletes total cost of attendance is $20,000. But lets say that the maximum cost of attendance is established as $25,000. If they can find that athlete that money whether it be through the athletic scholarships or other scholarships, they can receive that $25,000, because that has been defined as the maximum cost. But since thats $5,000 over, the student athlete receives a refund check of $5,000.

Thats just an example. I think there is an established stipend as you said that came out a few years ago. But add to that all meals paid for, all housing paid for, all books paid for, all sorts of athletic clothing and shoes, etc., then it starts to add up. And thats the "legal" side of it. Who knows what some athletes get "paid" outside of that behind closed doors.
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Yes! That is it. I know of one currently at a FBS school in the Power-5. He gets an official monthly 'allowance' check for like $500 or something.

Yeah, the behind closed doors, booster handshakes, new cars, selling autographed gear, etc is a whole different beast.
 
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