Kyle Phillips before season and after the season on Pruitt

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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Generational difference? I retired last year also. Only it didnt take me until 62 to do it.

So please spare your us ignorant self righteous how hard you worked in the old days bs. My guess is you would've collapsed at a well run D1 football practice back in the day.

Maybe I'm wrong and some really tough boss made you dig ditches for the 425k your entire career. And by gawd I'll bet you did with a smile on your face and song in your heart. CAUSE YOU AINT NO SNOWFLAKE!!
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awaitingawin said:
We got some new kids coming in that I think are going to be starters or in the 2 deep in the defensive backfield. We got a couple glaring weaknesses there. Those who enter spring and fall camps are going to have competition galore. If the new recruits coming in are willing to make the tackles and come up and put a hit on players then some who started this year may not be next.
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You are probably right. I’ve been a Vol fan for as long as I can remember and I’ve never seen this.
For a few years after Majors came in it was bad but you never got the impression that players didn’t “buy in”.

There’s a great dvd of Pat Ryan talking about how hard it was after Johnny and his staff took over.
 
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illinoisvolfan1 said:
You are probably right. I’ve been a Vol fan for as long as I can remember and I’ve never seen this.
For a few years after Majors came in it was bad but you never got the impression that players didn’t “buy in”.

There’s a great dvd of Pat Ryan talking about how hard it was after Johnny and his staff took over.
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don't think I have ever heard of the dvd
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
So when we end up with 4 or 5 wins next year are we still blaming CJP? Does it take 24 months to change the Strength and Condition program in Knoxville? Because if it does I can put the Athletic Department in touch with a couple of folks who can get results much faster.
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Actually is does in a couple of senses. Weight training is cumulative , especially so if done naturally . Speed and agility training is like wise. So a kid comes in and has had little to no weight training for 2 years ( Butch ) and he starts working S&C for 8 months. He will get progress ...but he won't achieve the same results that a kid that has been doing it religiously for 3 years will have obtained. Likewise for the BEEP test and any other measurable improvable. To get the same results that a guy that has 2 or 3 years invested ...the kid will need 2 or 3 years. The same goes for fundamentals. This is the whole reason that a senior team is generally better than a freshman team , the time and reps. Butch didn't hold football 'practices' and did not have a real S&C program, so anyone on our team is basically in their freshman year of development. Just look at the injuries from last season to this season and you will see the result of the current S&C. This is not to mention that the O line was recruited small for spread based system and they are now running a power based system . The defensive line and LB's are very small for the 34 defense they are now charged with. They are behind on horsepower despite the SC program ….as strong as they get , they are still undersized and not as strong as needed.
 
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illinoisvolfan1 said:
It has five or six QBs from the past. Dewey Warren, Peyton, Heath, Andy Kelly, Pat and they are being interviewed by Bob on what it’s like to be a QB at Tennessee.
Really good.
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By the way, I remember going to Tennessee games years ago and as we entered knoxville we would be listening to Bobby on the radio. Don't remember the station but it was so enjoyable. Really got you up for the game.
 
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roberthunter said:
What are your metrics? Recruiting rankings? On field production?

If it's on field production that's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy if you use their production from this season. We were bad therefore the players are bad. They were good therefore the players are good.

If you go back and look at their and our production from last year things are a lot closer - which is his point. One coach took that similar level of production and improved upon it. The other coach, not so much.
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Mullen did . Saban won 1 more regular season game than his predecessor and suffered a humiliating loss his first year with Bama. Myer won 1 more regular season game his first season than Zook's last . You have guys like Mullin and Harbaugh that have a lot of success out of the gate. Obviously with the examples above , the first season is not a predictor of overall result.

I think there are generally four things that predict success in a turn around. 1. Previous year results 2. Last recruiting class 3. strength of schedule. We are losers in those three categories. The 4 category we were the biggest loser . We returned a horrible offensive line , with no established quarterback or running back. We returned the worst defense in the schools 100+ year history.

Considering all of the factors against us , a +1 in season 1 with two SEC wins is remarkable. Will JP be another Saban or Myer ?? You can't rule it out by the results but you can't count on it either. You will just have to wait and see
 
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Mullens had a half decent QB who could read a defence or didn't have to do it all. He had Franks throw numerous quick throws and let his WR or skilled position players make plays. There were numerous games where JG could have thrown quick throws (5 step drops) to our massive WR, but instead we tried to throw bombs. This resulted in JG picking himself up off the turf numerous times. Mullens OL was half decent, but still didn't need to have to do too much. Florida also put points on the board (we didn't) which meant the DL didn't have pressure to make stops, but they did. CJP had fire, but our OL lost Trey, and a few others, while Richmond was good for 2-3 false starts every game which put the Offense on the back foot. Outside of the Auburn and Kentucky games, they didn't do a lot. Charlotte made that OL look like boys. They didn't have any pride in their performance. At one point CJP mentioned that if they didn't show something, they would be replaced.
 
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utvols83 said:
I think one difference between UT and UF was that Mullen took over a team that had been in a decent S&C program under the previous coach whereas Pruitt took over a team that was very underdeveloped physically due to the lack of a consistent S&C program the previous two years. Mullen did a great job, but he didn't have to overcome the challenge of having players that couldn't physically match up in the SEC. I also agree on your point about Mullen's staff being strong where the team had weaknesses. I still think Franks is not a good QB, but Mullen managed him perfectly.
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Strength and conditioning takes about 6-9 months especially with 18-22 year olds. Once they had a S&C coach, they should have been able to get stronger and conditioned within 3 months, but physically they would have been overmatched for a little while, but still that doesn't explain getting manhandled throughout the season. Poor technique would though.
 
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Just a question about Florida from last year to now. Didn’t they have a number of guys suspended for the season last year. Something like 9 or 11? Were any of those contributors this year that would have also helped them last year? I thought I had heard that. If so that would certainly help a firstbyear coach better the previous seasons results I would think.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
FL did not have 10 years of piss poor management. Nor the drama. FL Fired and hired a good coach immediately. Note: Mullen Did not follow jones. Locked up Mullen as soon as possible.

completely opposite of us...Riots and drama. Of which we have had 2 protests in 10 years regarding coaches.

Apples to oranges
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No no. Let the ignorant continue to believe and say stupid things. Florida and Tennessee were exactly the same. Dan Mullen would have won just as much here and probably more. We’d be playing for a NT if Phil would have just paid Dan 6-10 million a year .....except that Dandy Dan took a look at this job and said no thanks because he say what he was up against.
 
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Tennessee did talk to Mulin but he looked at 2 things and said NO THANKS!

He looked at our player roster and he looked at how much harder it is to recruit for Tennessee.

He then looked at the player roster at Fl and how much easier it is to recruit right in their front yard and said yes, thanks to the Gators.

Both our O line and D line are far too small for SEC games and most other top teams.

Pruitt said it during our Spring practices...We have such a small team!

If you can't Win on the line of scrimmage then you can NOT get the Wins during the games!!!

Pruitt and staff tried to get more Linemen from the JUCO ranks and transfers and their main focus in recruiting right now is O and D linemen.

Some of you people simply need to WAKE UP and accept the reality that our player roster simply does NOT have many good SEC type players.

We're also making a total change on both our O and D schemes so our current player roster does NOT have the types of players for a 3-4 D or for a more smashmouth, ground pounding O.

Some says 2 or 3 years of recruiting but I'm sad to say that I think it's more likely a 4 to 5 year recruiting battle to get us back to even thinking a SEC East Championship level considering we need great starters and great backups for solid depth.

I just pray that God will let me live long enough to see my beloved Vols back on Top.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
No no. Let the ignorant continue to believe and say stupid things. Florida and Tennessee were exactly the same. Dan Mullen would have won just as much here and probably more. We’d be playing for a NT if Phil would have just paid Dan 6-10 million a year .....except that Dandy Dan took a look at this job and said no thanks because he say what he was up against.
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Sorry you feel that way.....hate it for you.....woulda coulda shoulda never happened.... Try looking in the mirror for ignorance and saying stupid things....you continue to do so....read your own posts....LOL No argument just opinion and fantasy. The one thing you got correct was Dan stated No Thanks....see above for further explanation...
 
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hardyemt_p said:
n my opinion it's gonna take at least 2-3 recruiting cycles to weed out all the vaginas on this team. We need players like Banks in every position.
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With all respect, coaches have the responsibility to turn the whole squad into players like Banks. If Vanderbilt can do it, why can't this staff do it?

We did not really change over the course of the season! After the first two or three games, I posted that there was no way we could beat Kentucky, Missouri, or Vanderbilt. I still think the Ky win was a miracle! We need a transformation similar to what we see happening in the Chicago Bears and frankly, it ain't happening yet.

And I say it's coaching!
 
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#69
Sad to hear and assessments of each and every player have to be made so we can start getting where we need to be as a program.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Wonder what sort of wizardy Mullen used to turn a 4 win team into a 9 and likely 10 win team? I'll bet he found Old Robert Johnson's crossroads right before he left Mississippi and worked a deal.
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Well I would venture to guess that despite their deficiencies they still had more development than butch's players.
 
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roberthunter said:
What are your metrics? Recruiting rankings? On field production?

If it's on field production that's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy if you use their production from this season. We were bad therefore the players are bad. They were good therefore the players are good.

If you go back and look at their and our production from last year things are a lot closer - which is his point. One coach took that similar level of production and improved upon it. The other coach, not so much.
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It's not a numbers or production issue. It's a question of whether the players want to be here or not and the effort they put forth. You can't put that 100% on coaching. Quit looking for answers in the numbers. It's purely subjective whether guys buy into a new coaching staff.
 
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Take Charleston southern and Mississippi State off their schedule and replace it with Bama and West Virginia and they may only be a 7 win team. It is impossible to compare the 2 coaches and seasons because we do not play all the same opponents. We beat teams they lost to, they beat us, they got a weak FSU game this year which is normally tough for them.

Fact is our players do not have much fight in them and are fine with looking in the mirror and saying "I was good enough to get a D-1 scholarship" winning is not that important to them. Yeah they want to win but it is not the most important thing. Until that changes in the locker room we will have these kinds of thread at the end of november, no matter who the coach is.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I didn't miss anything.

I just see what hiring a proven coach vs hiring a rookie can make happen. All this whining from the water carriers about no one could turn around a 4 win team into the kind of team that could beat Vandy is just foolishness. Dan Mullen at Florida proves it. As matter of fact he proves it at a level that only those who refuse to see the shortcomings of this staff can't see.

Dan Mullen took a 4 win team in the SEC East and won at least 9 games with them the very next year. Not only can it be done, Dan Mullen just did it.

Fulmer and company took the cheap* route and crossed their fingers. A couple of beat downs at the end of the season by powerhouses Missouri and Vanderbilt clues one in on how well the crap worked out.

* I put the asterisk in because I don't think money was the only motivation Fulmer had for hiring a guy like CJP. ADPF didn't want a guy that would tell him to get the hell off the field and back to his AD office, so he didn't hire one. At least that's my opinion.
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Dan Mullen also lost to Kentucky, so..........
 
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In a nut shell - we do not have quality SEC players, specifically on the lines of scrimmage, then factor in that players didn't have the "I want it" mentality and you have the perfect recipe for disaster. I firmly believe that several of the players flat out quit in the Mizzou and Vandy games and didn't give a rat's azz about the Charlotte game, especially on the OL. It's a miracle that JG didn't sustain a major injury during the season, he was beat to crap!

CJP said it best in his post game press conference, paraphrasing - " . . . if you don't have competition you have a choice, play what you have or play no one". That pretty much sums up the 2018 team.

Recruiting, S&C program and solid coaching will improve the program, it's just not going to happen overnight!!

GBO - RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT
 
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