Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Um, bigger budget, better facilities, better tradition, ability to recruit better players, ability to win championships with those players. It isn’t close. Just because we suck right now does not mean that it is a comparable job.
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This isn't the 90s anymore. Most every SEC school has excellent facilities, a giant budget, etc. Tennessee might be a slightly better job, but at the current state of the program, it is more likely to tarnish your resume than boost it. You have to come and work miracles to do well.
 
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butchna said:
Pruitt had to sweeten the pot to pry him away from his brother. That would get sour if he put a poison pill in fine print. I believe it was assumed that Helton would flourish this season and would eventually be in demand for his own show...2-3 years time. The flourishing part didn’t exactly happen, but he’s on a list. Pruitt made $1.3 mil at Bama and didn’t pay a crimson cent to jump to another SEC school...as a HC. If he had tried to bounce to be a DC, he would have had to pony up. So you believe he’d have the stones to ask differently of his first hire? It’s wise not to look for examples...they don’t exist...for a reason.
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Again, if you don’t know this to be true about Helton’s contract, then please stop asserting it as fact. It just confuses things. If you do know for a fact what Helton’s contract says, then please confirm that.

Pruitt, like Aranda, was one of the most proven commodities in football when he signed his Alabama contract, which is a different situation than Helton was in (not that the situations need to be different for the contract terms to be different). Are you even sure that Pruitt didn’t have a buyout, or are you just assuming there too?
 
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MrVolton said:
This. I know the talent hasn’t been there, but there really seemed to be zero improvement at that spot. On the momentum-crushing sack following Vandy’s missed field goal and the Jordan 19 yard run, Tatum got beat inside badly but looked at the left guard like he was supposed to have help. If that’s what really happened and we’re still having those kind of miscommunications in game 12, that’s not just inferior talent getting run over, that seems like poor position coaching.
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It seems more like like dudes can't, or won't learn to me.
 
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VEKZY said:
This isn't the 90s anymore. Most every SEC school has excellent facilities, a giant budget, etc. Tennessee might be a slightly better job, but at the current state of the program, it is more likely to tarnish your resume than boost it. You have to come and work miracles to do well.
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Check the budgets. Not close. They can’t recruit as well as us. Even tho we suck right now, we will finish well ahead of them in recruiting.

Just because our team sucks doesn’t mean it’s not a better job. MSU is better than us to. That a better job than TN? This is a dumb argument
 
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bignewt said:
Right now, at this moment. SC is the better job for an OC. Sorry.
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Why? Because our team sucks? Is MSU a better job then? How about Purdue? That SC team has gone down to the wire with us this year and last during two of our worst years ever, and it’s the better job? By no measure is it the better job.
 
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I am not saying that Pruitt will hire someone outside the box and he very well may hire Lindsey or Friend or someone similar. However, I can imagine him seeing first hand the importance of Saban relenting and hiring Kiffin to help the Bama offense take the next step had an impact on him. Just something to think about as he approaches this OC search.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You tell me why it isn’t true. Compare the budgets for example. Compare the history. Compare the ability to recruit talent. There is no measure where SC is a comparable job to TN
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Recruits don't care about history. All these recruits have known that Tennessee has been a bottom of the barrel SEC team for the past 10 years. History doesnt get us anywhere anymore.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Why? Because our team sucks? Is MSU a better job then? How about Purdue? That SC team has gone down to the wire with us this year and last during two of our worst years ever, and it’s the better job? By no measure is it the better job.
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Would you rather call plays for our personnel right now or SC's?
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
wes rucker ‏ @wesrucker247_ Follow Follow @wesrucker247_ More Have confirmed #Tennessee OC Tyson Helton has been hired as HC at WKU. Helton was WKU OC and QB coach from 2014-2015. Another year, another coaching search for the #Vols.

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One off topic note about this post: I really appreciate you including the text of the tweet in your post. 99+% of the time I access VN is when I'm at work (filtered access), so when people post only the tweets, all I see is "Cannot load tweet. Disable your adblocker and tracking protection."
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Why? Because our team sucks? Is MSU a better job then? How about Purdue? That SC team has gone down to the wire with us this year and last during two of our worst years ever, and it’s the better job? By no measure is it the better job.
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No one cares about 20 years ago. Over the last decade SC has been a better program than UT.

To act like the SCjr OC job “isn’t even close” to the Tennessee OC job is just flat out wrong.

Look at who we’ve hired at OC lately if you don’t believe me
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Check the budgets. Not close. They can’t recruit as well as us. Even tho we suck right now, we will finish well ahead of them in recruiting.

Just because our team sucks doesn’t mean it’s not a better job. MSU is better than us to. That a better job than TN? This is a dumb argument
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They have the number 1 QB in the country coming in. A guy tailor made for McClendon’s offense. SC recruiting is going pretty well unfortunately
 
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bignewt said:
Would you rather call plays for our personnel right now or SC's?
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About the same honestly, but they have a better OL. Hence why they barely beat us. Again. That doesn’t mean it’s the better job anyway. Players change. Next year we could have Hurts in here at QB and well add Keyton and a host of other playmakers that SC couldn’t dream of landing. Then who would you rather OC for. Just because they are slightly better than us now doesn’t make them the better job. That’s like saying that when Texas was struggling that any team who was playing better than them is a better job. It’s not. TN and Texas offer things that lowly schools like SC could never offer
 
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NMVol said:
So it begins. Deflect responsibility to the OC, deflect responsibility to the O-Line coach, deflect responsibility to the players. Not a good look either.
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Except by all accounts, Pruitt has told people he was pleased with the offense Helton was calling. Doesn't exactly scream "deflection" to me.
 
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i think Will Friend is probably the leader in the club house. move Weinke over to QB's and hire a new RB and OL coach.

that feels like the tennessee thing to do. do whatever you need to to retain Tino Sunseri though. don't let him leave Knoxville imo.

hiring Hugh Freeze is not what Tennessee does.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Except by all accounts, Pruitt has told people he was pleased with the offense Helton was calling. Doesn't exactly scream "deflection" to me.
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Fair enough. Pruitt will take responsibility. He also called out the offense Saturday for keeping the D on the field.

Edit: Hope Pruitt can recruit his way out of this mess.
 
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Tyson Helton has one of the worst offenses in the country and gets a promotion. I wonder if UT paid WKU to take him lol. He's not the worst OC ever, but he's done nowhere close to enough to be paid as a top 20 coordinator, let alone enough to get a HC job.
 
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drylo said:
Again, if you don’t know this to be true about Helton’s contract, then please stop asserting it as fact. It just confuses things. If you do know for a fact what Helton’s contract says, then please confirm that.

Pruitt, like Aranda, was one of the most proven commodities in football when he signed his Alabama contract, which is a different situation than Helton was in (not that the situations need to be different for the contract terms to be different). Are you even sure that Pruitt didn’t have a buyout, or are you just assuming there too?
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It would have been reported and it wasn’t. Because there was no buyout. So you’re a saying a “proven commodity” is less likely to get locked in financially than an unproven variety? FACT is that there are no examples of an assistant paying out they azz to advance their careers. Don’t know don’t care what the language is in their contracts...it becomes irrelevant during nut cutting time.
 
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