Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Stability is important, but getting the right personnel in place is equally important. Most first-year staffs don't stay completely intact. It's realistic to expect a new HC to rethink some of his decisions and want to make refinements. And some guys might choose to pursue opportunities elsewhere. I doubt we have any acrimonious firings, but there might be movement-- and that shouldn't reflect negatively on the state of the program.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I was gonna reply, but @Memphisvol87 here says it better than I could @VolGee4.
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Good for him. I guess I will trust "everyone in the know." In my business, that doesn't cut it.
But like I said, I am not for firing anyone. I will just continue to say that in a few games, our players were not put in positions to win, especially on the offensive side. I am also in agreement that better players will help. It doesn't have to be an either/or.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't understand how the 'search' was such a bungled job. Was it really one mega booster who'd called the shot? The mega booster who wanted Schiano makes for a good story and gives everyone a target to project on but I'm not sure that any one person gets to make that call. I think another possibility is that the AD really didn't expect to fire CBJ last year. Maybe Currie wasn't ready to hire a new hfc and just made a bunch of mistakes? Then, of course, is the depressing thought that in a year where a lot of good programs had openings, nobody with options wanted to come here either because we're too cheap, too unrealistic in our expectations, or just too plain ole sucky. All I know is we sucked a year ago and we still suck now. Maybe we'll have a really good recruiting class and suck a little less next season, or maybe not. Life of a Vols fan.
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i think that mega booster had a lot of influence. not only on that hire, but hiring currie as well. there's been plenty reported on it in the aftermath. and i thin it was pretty obvious the Schiano deal caught more than just the fans and local media by surprise. there were other big supporters that was as up in arms as we were. that's not the reaction of a unified front.

i agree that they weren't planning on firigin CBJ last year. i said it a lot before last season, that no 1st year AD WANTS to fire the football caoch in his first year, and that doing so, would require an epic meltdown, leaving Currie no choice but to fire him.

well....................................

but no, there was no plan.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't understand how the 'search' was such a bungled job. Was it really one mega booster who'd called the shot? The mega booster who wanted Schiano makes for a good story and gives everyone a target to project on but I'm not sure that any one person gets to make that call. I think another possibility is that the AD really didn't expect to fire CBJ last year. Maybe Currie wasn't ready to hire a new hfc and just made a bunch of mistakes? Then, of course, is the depressing thought that in a year where a lot of good programs had openings, nobody with options wanted to come here either because we're too cheap, too unrealistic in our expectations, or just too plain ole sucky. All I know is we sucked a year ago and we still suck now. Maybe we'll have a really good recruiting class and suck a little less next season, or maybe not. Life of a Vols fan.
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That coaching search is under "bungled" in the dictionary. Don't know what else to say about that.

It was clear, after the fact, that Currie was trying to deflect and divert to get his guy.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that mega booster had a lot of influence. not only on that hire, but hiring currie as well. there's been plenty reported on it in the aftermath. and i thin it was pretty obvious the Schiano deal caught more than just the fans and local media by surprise. there were other big supporters that was as up in arms as we were. that's not the reaction of a unified front.

i agree that they weren't planning on firigin CBJ last year. i said it a lot before last season, that no 1st year AD WANTS to fire the football caoch in his first year, and that doing so, would require an epic meltdown, leaving Currie no choice but to fire him.

well....................................

but no, there was no plan.
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Every good AD has contacts and a list available every day just in case something happens. It could all be going well, but you never know when your guy leaves or things go south. Poor, poor preparation.
 
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VolDC said:
If you look how the anatomy of blood flow works, the deep veins in the legs are most likely where his clots are forming. It's the most common place for them to come from. They are pumped through one side of the heart to the lungs for the blood to be oxygenated. If that circulation pathway is blocked by a big enough clot it will cause damage to the lung that is extremely lethal. If the clot forms in the lungs, it's pumped through the other side of the heart and sent back out to the arteries. Those blood clots usually go straight to the brain and cause death by a stroke. Irregardless, I would not play again if I were him. It's not being talked about publicly, but he has to have some kind of blood disorder that is causing the threat of it occurring again. I am not a Cardiologist, but that's a solid throw of crap on the wall to see what sticks.
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Thank you that was very helpful.
 
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It's just crazy to think of all the great ADs I've heard talk about always having a list and UTAD would not be ready. I wonder if Blackburn could've done better. I know it's water under the bridge, but there's not much else to talk about.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Good for him. I guess I will trust "everyone in the know." In my business, that doesn't cut it.
But like I said, I am not for firing anyone. I will just continue to say that in a few games, our players were not put in positions to win, especially on the offensive side. I am also in agreement that better players will help. It doesn't have to be an either/or.
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The only "winnable" game you can honestly say that about was South Carolina, and even that one is subject to debate...it wasn't the staff makng all those stupid mistakes in that game, as matter of fact you could make a better argument that the staff gave them a great chance to win that game, and the players blew it.

As for the other losses which one was really ever going to be a win?

None of them.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Not imo. They started strong but then faded like they have in years past. They got lucky vs Mizzou and caught Florida at the right time. They have a great defense and an awful offense
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They held Missouri without a first down in the entire second half. That is not getting lucky. I agree the PI was questionable but they gave themselves a chance to win by making plays on that final drive and by stifling the Missouri offense in the second half.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It's just crazy to think of all the great ADs I've heard talk about always having a list and UTAD would not be ready. I wonder if Blackburn could've done better. I know it's water under the bridge, but there's not much else to talk about.
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Don't think he would have done worse. That was a public embarrassment.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Every good AD has contacts and a list available every day just in case something happens. It could all be going well, but you never know when your guy leaves or things go south. Poor, poor preparation.
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yeah, i think that's an understatement............regardless of what level of involvement HOH had, i think it's safe to say currie wasn't very good at it here.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
He did a lot better on early signing day than he did on national signing day. In between the two, a lot of time was spent coaching Bama. Those are the facts.
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But he couldn't visit recruits or their parents during the dead period anyway, which I believe last year was Dec. 18, 2017 through Jan. 11, 2018. He could phone or text recruits, which he could do from Tuscaloosa as easily as he could from Knoxville.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
The only "winnable" game you can honestly say that about was South Carolina, and even that one is subject to debate...it wasn't the staff makng all those stupid mistakes in that game, as matter of fact you could make a better argument that the staff gave them a great chance to win that game, and the players blew it.

As for the other losses which one was really ever going to be a win?

None of them.
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The Florida offensive game plan was horrific. Maybe we still turn it over 6 times? I can't predict things like that, so I don't know. The USC game plan was good, much better and different than UF.

It took the offensive staff some time to realize that quick passes and getting Ty in space were good things for us.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
But he couldn't visit recruits or their parents during the dead period anyway, which I believe last year was Dec. 18, 2017 through Jan. 11, 2018. He could phone or text recruits, which he could do from Tuscaloosa as easily as he could from Knoxville.
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yep. there were no visits to kid's homes, no on campus committments.

can text and phone from anywhere. and by the time he did get to Knoxville, he had some pretty big visits come our way.
didn't close any of them obviously, but it was obvious work was being done to give ourselves a chance.

way more interested in how this class closes at this point.
 
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LA Vol said:
IDT anything has really changed in recruiting for UT. Our commits are still solid, a WR we slow-played reserved his spot elsewhere to no one's surprise, the long shots stayed long shots, the guys who came for a free visit had a good time and spoke highly of our coaches and the direction of the program, the guys who didn't plan to visit didn't visit, the recruits we have a decent shot at flipping are still listening and the recruits who were swayed by an ugly loss weren't ever realistic prospects for a rebuild.

I'm encouraged. The dominos could be falling the wrong way, and so far, they're not.
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Exactly. Fans get emotional about wins and losses each week but outcomes of the game don't mean as much to the recruits in attendance. Callahan made a post yesterday about this subject, basically said that the commits and kids interested in UT right now, even the top tier guys, aren't really influenced by wins and losses vs. Mizzou and even Vandy. They get that it's a rebuild and are buying what the coaches are selling about the future.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
What about him saying Tennessee had the toughest schedule in college football is so hard to understand? He didnt say one of, didn't say top 5, he said it was the toughest. You found one article here. You'll find more who do not have Tennessee at the top. That's the bottom line.
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When presented with facts, hold tight to that contradictory opinion of yours. It reveals a great deal about you.
 
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