Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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BruinVol said:
Exactly it's the coaches jobs to get consistency. I have no problem with our current win loss record. I will be very happy with the season If we win Saturday. I am
Just pointing out why Saturday is a must win in order to say this season isn't just another 2013
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This was not the point you were trying to make with “we couldn’t score against Charlotte now look at how they suck”.

Give it a break dude
 
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engineerVOL said:
It’s getting harder and harder to feel excited about new batches of blue-chip prospects.

Just want results.
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Well, year 1 results are playing out just like every expert predicted. 5-7 or worse. 6-6 would be overachieving according to Vegas and almost every "expert". I mean, of course it sucks watching it play out but Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
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Lws on inconsistencies.

bad players are inconsistent. Coaches can't make bad players into good players.. When you are poor from a talent standpoint, you get inconsistent.

The talented kids they can make into football players given enough time but not in less than a year.. Problem there are few on this roster with SEC talent

I told several this week, could not project this game because can't tell how Tennessee might play. Like Charlotte or like Kentucky??
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LWS on administration and people around the programs support

No one is unhappy with Pruitt. They totally understand how bad the football talent is on this roster and realize it is a total rebuild.
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drvenner said:
I think there has been some sporadic improvement. It has been inconsistent. It really does come down to execution and we need to develop the guys so that they execute much more consistently. To say that we are not any better than we were against WV, I have to disagree with.
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I didn't say no improvement, I said very little. Is this team better at:

Tackling?
Blocking?
Rushing the passer?
Stopping the run?
JG holding the ball too long?
Committing silly penalties?
Covering?
Turning the ball over?
Play calling?

If you look at all those you can point to slight improvement in some areas and zero in others. I don't see much of a difference in earlierin the season and now. Jmo
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think 90% is a little overzealous.....

the runs on 1st down betweent he tackles, especially early in games, have been a problem more times than not. siap, the only real issue i have with the play calling is the lack of some creativity in the run game. the O line is not where it needs to be do just line up and run power I like we we have shown we want to.

we have to do it some to keep defenses honest.

1st and 10 or 2nd and 9+ are not downs that favor us though in those types of sets. generally they just lead to 3rdd and long.
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It may not be 90% but it's a heck of a lot more than 50%.

Other teams exploit us by making us think. We don't make the other team think.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't either. I do think it goes to your point though about limited depth and getting tired and beat up. It's no secret this team starts slow. I think a large part of that is an OF that can't adjust on the fly, at least quickly. In many games, it's 10, 7, 14 -0 and our offense has had 3 3 and outs and our defense is already feeling gassed. Not to mention the mental side where the defense thinks they're already beat and all they're doing is trying to keep it close. It's my opinion this offense is underachieving even considering this offensive line.
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It’s my opinion that some of the problem is the fact that Helton has been given a mandate to be a ball control, running offense. He didn’t run an offense like this at WKU and USC didn’t run it last year either. He wants to spread it out and throw quick passes.

So maybe that’s the problem?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I didn't say no improvement, I said very little. Is this team better at:

Tackling?
Blocking?
Rushing the passer?
Stopping the run?
JG holding the ball too long?
Committing silly penalties?
Covering?
Turning the ball over?
Play calling?

If you look at all those you can point to slight improvement in some areas and zero in others. I don't see much of a difference in earlierin the season and now. Jmo
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Sometimes, yes. Some games, yes. Auburn and UK are proof. But this team is also very inconsistent and as LWS pointed out that's because we lack talent. And S&C. And proper development. Those things happen over time, not in year 1.
 
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31VFL said:
Lws on inconsistencies.



LWS on administration and people around the programs support
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Looking forward, these are the players that have at least one more year of eligibility remaining that *I* believe have proven they have legit SEC talent:

Offense: JG, Chandler, Jordan, Jennings, Callaway, Palmer, DWA, Trey Smith
Defense: Warrior, Taylor, Thompson, Bituli, Kirkland, Jr., Gooden

Some guys like Jordan Murphy, Ryan Johnson, Jahmir Johnson, Theo Jackson, Trevon Flowers, Jeremy Banks, Mincey have shown flashes but I'm not convinced yet.

Obviously, this ain't enough and we need more.
 
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roosterjbh said:
This was not the point you were trying to make with “we couldn’t score against Charlotte now look at how they suck”.

Give it a break dude
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Huh?
My point is its a cordinator job has to have his team play more consistently to its potenial. The Charlotte game is an example of Helton failing to have his team ready to do so

Surely to the goodness you aren't saying otherwise
 
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Kingston Vol said:
It’s my opinion that some of the problem is the fact that Helton has been given a mandate to be a ball control, running offense. He didn’t run an offense like this at WKU and USC didn’t run it last year either. He wants to spread it out and throw quick passes.

So maybe that’s the problem?
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You may be right. I said early on this season that Pruitt was less interested in wjjns and losses than he was about creating his brand of football.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I didn't say no improvement, I said very little. Is this team better at:

Tackling?
Blocking?
Rushing the passer?
Stopping the run?
JG holding the ball too long?
Committing silly penalties?
Covering?
Turning the ball over?
Play calling?

If you look at all those you can point to slight improvement in some areas and zero in others. I don't see much of a difference in earlierin the season and now. Jmo
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Some of these I agree with. I keep seeing you harp on penalties though. We are 2nd in the SEC in penalty yards per game.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It may not be 90% but it's a heck of a lot more than 50%.

Other teams exploit us by making us think. We don't make the other team think.
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there's a reason for that. and it's probably because we're not real good at thinking either. the offensive concepts needing to be understood, implmented and executed by the OL, the QB, the WR, the RBS and TE, and the communication that's necessary to really run the kind of offense you might be talking about, and definitely the type of offense they want to run, just isn't there yet.

the coaches have been talking about it all year, and i'm not sure why we don't listen.......but there have been stretches in multiple games this season where it hasn't mattered what personnel we've had in the game to pass protect or run block. we've given up negative plays and sacks in 5, 6 and 7 man fronts. even when we outnumber the defensive front. we've given up sacks with 3 down linemen.

the o line and TE's just aren't there. mentally or physically. and i'm not doggin the kids, the know it. which is why going to a bowl and having a good 2nd off season is important for this offense...we return basically everyone.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Sometimes, yes. Some games, yes. Auburn and UK are proof. But this team is also very inconsistent and as LWS pointed out that's because we lack talent. And S&C. And proper development. Those things happen over time, not in year 1.
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I don't disagree, I think some level of consistency should have been displayed over the course of a year. I'm not saying we should be in the top 25 but I think we should have been a more sound football program at the end of the year. I can't say that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I didn't say no improvement, I said very little. Is this team better at:

Tackling?
Blocking?
Rushing the passer?
Stopping the run?
JG holding the ball too long?
Committing silly penalties?
Covering?
Turning the ball over?
Play calling?

If you look at all those you can point to slight improvement in some areas and zero in others. I don't see much of a difference in earlierin the season and now. Jmo
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If you can can’t see the clear improvement then there’s nothing none of us could say that could change your mind. At the beginning of the year we couldn’t even execute half of our plays on offense...the D looked lost against WV and Florida. They D looked really against Auburn and Kentucky. I think Saturday wasn’t a step back, just a reality check of where we are with our talent at the moment. Don’t mix up being inconsistent with not improving.
 
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BruinVol said:
Huh?
My point is its a cordinator job has to have his team play more consistently to its potenial. The Charlotte game is an example of Helton failing to have his team ready to do so

Surely to the goodness you aren't saying otherwise
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I wasn’t following the thread and thought it was just a non-sequitor bemoaning that people regularly do trying to use the transitive property in CFB. (Although I still think you were just bringing this up to inflame)

Didn’t know the conversation was about Helton.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't disagree, I think some level of consistency should have been displayed over the course of a year. I'm not saying we should be in the top 25 but I think we should have been a more sound football program at the end of the year. I can't say that.
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Did you say it after we blew out UK last week? Will you say it if we blow out Vandy next week?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Did you walk out when muschamp adjusted and our OC went into a coma?
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no. but our defense in the 2nd half was the reason we lost the game.

and the penalties on the o line. drive killing penalties. take a 2nd and 4 and make it 2nd and long. how many procdure penalties did we have that game? 9?

the game plan wasn't the problem. we played well enough to win that game. but the run D and the offensive penalties prevented winning more than anything else.
 
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jakez4ut said:
there's a reason for that. and it's probably because we're not real good at thinking either. the offensive concepts needing to be understood, implmented and executed by the OL, the QB, the WR, the RBS and TE, and the communication that's necessary to really run the kind of offense you might be talking about, and definitely the type of offense they want to run, just isn't there yet.

the coaches have been talking about it all year, and i'm not sure why we don't listen.......but there have been stretches in multiple games this season where it hasn't mattered what personnel we've had in the game to pass protect or run block. we've given up negative plays and sacks in 5, 6 and 7 man fronts. even when we outnumber the defensive front. we've given up sacks with 3 down linemen.

the o line and TE's just aren't there. mentally or physically. and i'm not doggin the kids, the know it. which is why going to a bowl and having a good 2nd off season is important for this offense...we return basically everyone.
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Are these guys not supposed to be these great teachers of the game? We're past game 11 and these guys still don't have it? I find it hard to accept that our guys are physically untalented and are dummies too. At some point the coaches have to be held accountable. I'm not calling fo heads. All I'm saying is my confidence is low. I still have hope.
 
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