Drew Lock vs. Real Teams

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#52
If we get a good pass rush and minimize their running game, we win. Turn Taylor loose and let big Shy plug the middle.
 
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Duckyvol59 said:
TN has made Drew Lock a legend allowing the MO offense 1378 yds of offense the last 2 yrs.
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Lock in 2016- 21/43 320 1 TD 2 INTs 36 QBR

Lock in 2917- 13/28 217 4 TDs 1 INT 56 QBR

Lock hasnt been that good against us. In the last 2 years he has completed 48% of his passes, for 537 yards, 5 TDs and 3 INTs. His average QBR is 46. Those are average numbers. The rushing of Missouri has killed us. We have given up over 840 yards rushing and 6 TDs.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lock in 2016- 21/43 320 1 TD 2 INTs 36 QBR

Lock in 2917- 13/28 217 4 TDs 1 INT 56 QBR

Lock hasnt been that good against us. In the last 2 years he has completed 48% of his passes, for 537 yards, 5 TDs and 3 INTs. His average QBR is 46. Those are average numbers. The rushing of Missouri has killed us. We have given up over 840 yards rushing and 6 TDs.
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Odds are the trend will not change this year.. (of course the odds put all bets on Kentucky last week)
 
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JG does have a stronger arm and is more accurate but lock is throwing the ball 20 to 25 more passes and JG goes.under center a lot more . mizzu runs a air raid offense but over half of jg passes are 5 yards or less. Lots of bubble screens and play action passes jg doesnt have to make the reads lock does also JG has a slower release . even thou its night and day compared to last years release JG has improved a ton on his release shows what a good qb coach can do in less than a year
 
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ncvol004 said:
JG does have a stronger arm and is more accurate but lock is throwing the ball 20 to 25 more passes and JG goes.under center a lot more . mizzu runs a air raid offense but over half of jg passes are 5 yards or less. Lots of bubble screens and play action passes jg doesnt have to make the reads lock does also JG has a slower release . even thou its night and day compared to last years release JG has improved a ton on his release shows what a good qb coach can do in less than a year
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Kinda tough to average 8.2 yards per attempt and 12.6 yards per completion when 'over half your throws are under 5 yards'. JG has a higher yardage per attempt and per completion average than Lock.

The only game where JG relied heavily on short throws was versus South Carolina, where the SC defense was basically willing to give him free short passes because they were so afraid of getting burned on the deep ball.
 
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He was always overrated

The key to the game is the Mizzou rushing game, just like last year. If Tennessee stops it then probably wins. But if Mizzou runs effectively then it’s a wrap for Missouri
 
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To me, he's the kind of guy that can (and often is) be held down for the whole game, but then good enough to beat you on two plays. He's not going to just carve you up but he's also not going have an entire game where he doesn't make a difference. IMO saying JG is a better QB is just, well, let's say homerism at the very least.
 
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ncvol004 said:
JG does have a stronger arm and is more accurate but lock is throwing the ball 20 to 25 more passes and JG goes.under center a lot more . mizzu runs a air raid offense but over half of jg passes are 5 yards or less. Lots of bubble screens and play action passes jg doesnt have to make the reads lock does also JG has a slower release . even thou its night and day compared to last years release JG has improved a ton on his release shows what a good qb coach can do in less than a year
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Mizz will throw twice as many screens as Tn. Counting all passes behind the los
 
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k-town_king said:
Funny how the numbers and eventually results always match what I say.

I said Dobbs would be a NFL qb. I was right.

JG is a much better passer with a WAY stronger arm who is more accurate and turned the ball over less.
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I wondered what happened to Dobbs4Heisman...

JG is has a very good arm. His problem has never been physical. He still can't read D's well and that shows up often when his passes are short because he throws late. Now in your delusion you can argue this isn't true... but your other choice is that he doesn't have the arm to make the throws. And that just ain't true.

As for the OP's comment about the OL's... Mizzou lives off a lot of short passes that keep D's from blitzing as much. Those aren't easy throws but ones that MU's O always requires. Also, JG brings a lot of pressure on himself by failing to make good pre-reads and make good decisions. This is often true even when he has no pressure at all.

JG has all the physical talent you would want... he is still behind where he should be in the mental part of being a QB.
 
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KBVol said:
Hopefully we find out next year. Meanwhile, behind arguably the worst OL in college football, he’s been very efficient and productive this year.
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Amazing what good coaching can accomplish. The kid is tough, talented and can spin it. Too bad he had no coaching until this year.
 
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Jnunn said:
So I noticed a trend last year regarding Drew Lock. This is what I pointed out in a thread back in the summer:

"Just to drill down this point a little more I looked at his numbers minus Missouri State, Idaho and UConn. So only including Mizzou's 10 "real" opponents last year, Lock threw for 2,599 yards, 26 TD's and 11 Int's on 167 comps, 315 attempts with a completion percentage of 53%... Not exactly awe-inspiring numbers. That includes four games of under 50% completion percentage and only two 300+ yard games. "

I wanted to do the same thing for this year. If you look at Lock's overall stats, they are impressive. 2647 yards, 21 td, 8 int, and a 62.5% completion percentage. All good numbers. But let's drill down and look at his stats versus Power 5 competition, so omitting the UT Martin, Wyoming and Memphis games. The numbers look like this:

144 Completions, 245 attempts, 1610 yards, 9 TD, 8 Int (!), 58.7% Completion.

Yikes. Those are even worse than his numbers against real competition in 2017. He has bounced back the last two weeks with 3 TD's against Florida and 2 TD's against Vanderbilt (but also 2 INT's), but overall this narrative that he is an amazing, stat-stuffing SEC QB is hyperinflated by Mizzou's annual pathetic non-conference scheduling. Those three non-Power 5 games, by the way, amount to 1037 of his yards and 12 (more than half) of his TD's.

For comparison's sake, I did the same thing with JG's numbers against Power 5 competition:

104 Completions, 165 attempts, 1274 yards, 9 TD, 2 Int, 63% Completion.

These numbers are with 5 common opponents played (UGA, USC, UF, Bama and UK), while our out of conference game was against a better team and defense (WVU vs. Purdue). That also doesn't take into consideration that Guarantano has played behind a much worse O Line and has spent half of his time on the field on his back.

Now I know stats are what you make them, but I wanted to do my part to dispel the Drew Lock hype. He may have all the physical tools, but he is inconsistent at best in Power 5 games. I have faith that with Pruitt leading this defense we will continue this trend for Lock..
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Jnunn said:
So I noticed a trend last year regarding Drew Lock. This is what I pointed out in a thread back in the summer:

"Just to drill down this point a little more I looked at his numbers minus Missouri State, Idaho and UConn. So only including Mizzou's 10 "real" opponents last year, Lock threw for 2,599 yards, 26 TD's and 11 Int's on 167 comps, 315 attempts with a completion percentage of 53%... Not exactly awe-inspiring numbers. That includes four games of under 50% completion percentage and only two 300+ yard games. "

I wanted to do the same thing for this year. If you look at Lock's overall stats, they are impressive. 2647 yards, 21 td, 8 int, and a 62.5% completion percentage. All good numbers. But let's drill down and look at his stats versus Power 5 competition, so omitting the UT Martin, Wyoming and Memphis games. The numbers look like this:

144 Completions, 245 attempts, 1610 yards, 9 TD, 8 Int (!), 58.7% Completion.

Yikes. Those are even worse than his numbers against real competition in 2017. He has bounced back the last two weeks with 3 TD's against Florida and 2 TD's against Vanderbilt (but also 2 INT's), but overall this narrative that he is an amazing, stat-stuffing SEC QB is hyperinflated by Mizzou's annual pathetic non-conference scheduling. Those three non-Power 5 games, by the way, amount to 1037 of his yards and 12 (more than half) of his TD's.

For comparison's sake, I did the same thing with JG's numbers against Power 5 competition:

104 Completions, 165 attempts, 1274 yards, 9 TD, 2 Int, 63% Completion.

These numbers are with 5 common opponents played (UGA, USC, UF, Bama and UK), while our out of conference game was against a better team and defense (WVU vs. Purdue). That also doesn't take into consideration that Guarantano has played behind a much worse O Line and has spent half of his time on the field on his back.

Now I know stats are what you make them, but I wanted to do my part to dispel the Drew Lock hype. He may have all the physical tools, but he is inconsistent at best in Power 5 games. I have faith that with Pruitt leading this defense we will continue this trend for Lock..
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I know we looked bad today vs. Missouri but the biggest reason is Locke and the offense. He is not overrated and has performed just as well or better than any QB has against us this year. He has made several impressive passes in tight windows.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I know we looked bad today vs. Missouri but the biggest reason is Locke and the offense. He is not overrated and has performed just as well or better than any QB has against us this year. He has made several impressive passes in tight windows.
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True. But against some other SEC teams, Lock has looked pedestrian. The stats say so. Lovk shines when he has all day to throw. Like he has today and against other sorry pass rushing teams. Lock has talent no doubt. But if we were able to get pressure on him, I believe his numbers wouldnt be nearly as good.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
As I recall, Drew Lock smoked your elite Florida talent by double digits
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Yeah, and before the game I wasn't running any smack about Missouri or their QB either.

The continual dismissal of other teams and the talent on those teams while Tennessee still wanders in the wilderness is staggering.

People made similar comments about Will Grier to start the season.

Tennessee is not good enough to take any game from granted and won't be next season either. And neither is Florida. Florida is going to be heavily favored against Florida State this week and I'm nervous as hell.
 
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sjt18 said:
I wondered what happened to Dobbs4Heisman...

JG is has a very good arm. His problem has never been physical. He still can't read D's well and that shows up often when his passes are short because he throws late. Now in your delusion you can argue this isn't true... but your other choice is that he doesn't have the arm to make the throws. And that just ain't true.

As for the OP's comment about the OL's... Mizzou lives off a lot of short passes that keep D's from blitzing as much. Those aren't easy throws but ones that MU's O always requires. Also, JG brings a lot of pressure on himself by failing to make good pre-reads and make good decisions. This is often true even when he has no pressure at all.

JG has all the physical talent you would want... he is still behind where he should be in the mental part of being a QB.
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I look forward to your assessment of Chryst's performance against Missouri.
 
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