We deserved to lose (Facts inside)

#51
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
At the rate we're recruiting, we will be taking a 2019 base model Accord out on the F1 circuit next year. Better than a Chevette? Probably. But not gonna get the job done. We need the Ferrari.
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JP and staff are recruiting Ferraris.......they just ain't coming to Knoxville.
 
#53
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VolAllen said:
Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...
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Even in a loss Miles and Leach are fun to watch.
 
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VolAllen said:
Are you suggesting that hiring an unknown such as Jeremy Pruitt is a better move than hiring Les Miles? Is that what you're saying?
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Absolutely. We know what Les is.....there’s a reason why LSU tried running him out of town for 3 years until they finally got him. He had a great career down there, but he’d gotten incredibly stubborn and it looked like the game had passed him by.

Pruitt on the other hand is an up and comer with a fantastic pedigree. He’s doing some good things here and I personally love his approach. Only time will tell, but he definitely deserves the time. We’ll know if he’s the guy by the end of next season imo.
 
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VolAllen said:
And for all the folks saying "we went 4-8 last year, what do you expect"....Florida went 4-7 last year, and are currently sitting 6-2 and in the Top 10 (probably Top 15 after the GA loss). So...there's that.
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I’d be lying if I said that didn’t piss me off something terrible. Florida has a questionable quarterback. We don’t have an offensive or defensive line to even sniff the top 25.

Not making excuses for this staff. It’s just painfully obvious.
 
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KBVol said:
Absolutely. We know what Les is.....there’s a reason why LSU tried running him out of town for 3 years until they finally got him. He had a great career down there, but he’d gotten incredibly stubborn and it looked like the game had passed him by.

Pruitt on the other hand is an up and comer with a fantastic pedigree. He’s doing some good things here and I personally love his approach. Only time will tell, but he definitely deserves the time. We’ll know if he’s the guy by the end of next season imo.
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Miles is Fulmer 2.0

Never understood why some thought he’d be a good choice.
 
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[QUOTE="Vol_from_86, post: 15963908, member: 75305". It’s the way we scheme around weaknesses on both sides of the ball, playing to win rather than playing to keep it close. It’s coaches taking ownership of shortcomings and answering questions in a way that proves they know what they’re doing. It’s quarterback development and corners playing on an All-SEC level despite only being dedicated to the position for 7 months. It’s an offensive line that somehow blocks well enough to win despite losing their leader a few days ago. It’s knowing what’s wrong and how to fix it. It’s humble confidence instead of smoke and mirrors. It’s a head coach who commands respect without demanding respect.

There’s 4 positions on defense that are killing us right now. If Flowers were healthy it’d only be 3. The only thing I’m concerned about is the defensive line because it’s so hard to find guys who can compete as true freshmen.[/QUOTE]

]It’s the way younger guys are pissed at older guys for not doing their job- You've seen this? Really?

It’s the way we scheme around weaknesses on both sides of the ball, playing to win rather than playing to keep it close.- Like pissing away 40 seconds a timeout at the end of the first half? That is what you call playing to win?


It’s coaches taking ownership of shortcomings and answering questions in a way that proves they know what they’re doing.- LIke at halftime of the Alabama game throwing the players under the bus.

It’s quarterback development and corners playing on an All-SEC level despite only being dedicated to the position for 7 months.- There are many many folks who would argue qb development. I personally think JG is adequate but he hasn't turned into more than that by any stretch. And I will be over the moon surprised if we have a secondary player on the All SEC team. Are you certain you're watching UT play? The team in Knoxville.

It’s an offensive line that somehow blocks well enough to win despite losing their leader a few days ago.- Our line did block very well yesterday. Too damned bad we didn't do enough with it. I would call that a glaring negative on the over all coaching staff.

It’s knowing what’s wrong and how to fix it.- Based on what CJP said I'm fairly confident this isn't true as his only solution was to get 25 more players. If it is true i wish they would start fixing it before this season actually ends.

It’s humble confidence instead of smoke and mirrors. - Okay we see this on a pretty regular basis. What smoke and mirrors are you referring to?


It’s a head coach who commands respect without demanding respect.- How exactly does losing games like last night and not being competitive command respect?


All i can say is that people apparently see what they want to see when the truth doesn't fit their narrative.

CJP may turn into some kind of coaching legend and I hope he does it while wearing UT Orange. However to pretend he has accomplished or proven anything at this point ( other than the fact he's a rookie) is completely silly.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
That train left the station with the Jones hire. Top coaches don't want to work for these people, its that simple. This administration doesn't care what happens as long as they get the SEC network and SEC bowl split. They are content with where they are.
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As much as it saddens me, I'm afraid that you are correct.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
I notice you conveniently left Chip Kelly off your list of coaches who would have won last nite. Usually when people cherry pick stats it is because their arguement is weak and this thread is no different.
Mike Leach has his players and his O would SUCK with JG at qb as would Gundy's. You are comparing coaches who have been in their programs for years to one who has yet to reach his 1st anniversary.....but dont let facts stand in your way of being negative.
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Also, Holtz went 0-11 his first season at USC...even worse than the 1-10 record the school had the year before. I believe it took Spurrier 5 or 6 years to get to 9+ wins. Even elite experience doesn’t automatically equate to immediate success.
 
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peaygolf said:
JP and staff are recruiting Ferraris.......they just ain't coming to Knoxville.
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I’d love to get the Wrights and Pappoes of the world but it doesn’t take guys like that to be competitive. We just need smart, competitive guys with bodies that fit the 3-4.

Our biggest problem is how weak we are up the middle. Tuttle is better suited for the 4-3, but Elijah Simmons and Savion Williams are on their way. If we get some guys who can move the LOS our backers will look much better.
 
#63
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VolAllen said:
Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...
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I thought you were gonna say we deserved to lose because we made more mistakes, had too many penalties and because our defense was bloody awful. If you’d said those things I’d agree 100%.

But can’t get down with your point about making the wrong hire. Certainly not yet anyway.
 
#64
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VolAllen said:
My issue is not whether he can or can't, it's that I don't feel the University has put us in the best position to succeed. JP may end up being a great coach, but we may have to wait a while. And I don't like that, considering Florida doesn't seem like they're having to wait at all.
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Florida has a much better roster than we do....surely the head to head matchup back in September proved that. They lined up and bitch slapped us for 4 quarters and they’ve played well all season after the Ky loss early. Apples and orange. And throw in the very real mental/psychological element that plagues our games with Florida. I think Mullen is a very good coach, but seriously doubt we’d be anything other than 3-5 right now if he were our coach rather than Jeremy.
 
#65
#65
VolAllen said:
Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...
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All 3 of those coaches have better talent than our coach when he was hired. BIG DIFFERENCE
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
But are we idiots for thinking that last night's game was not only winnable but we got out-coached in the process of losing it?

I don't think so.
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I’m not calling anyone an idiot, but I think it was a hell of a coaching job to keep it close. We were dominated at the LOS and had somehow had a chance to win in the 4th. On the road. At night. It would’ve been a very impressive win. Hate that we came up short.

I think I would’ve let Cimaglia attempt the 52-yarder, but I didn’t see us being “out-coached”
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I’d love to get the Wrights and Pappoes of the world but it doesn’t take guys like that to be competitive. We just need smart, competitive guys with bodies that fit the 3-4.

Our biggest problem is how weak we are up the middle. Tuttle is better suited for the 4-3, but Elijah Simmons and Savion Williams are on their way. If we get some guys who can move the LOS our backers will look much better.
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I agree, but our linebackers are awful. Nowhere to be found last night, couldn’t get off anybody’s blocks. They’ll have to get much better as well....or maybe Banks and Peterson can come in and play. Either way, everybody in the front 7 has to get much, much better.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
But are we idiots for thinking that last night's game was not only winnable but we got out-coached in the process of losing it?

I don't think so.
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Pruitt is Fulmer's a 5* Head Coach recruit. Fans are expecting him to contribute a bit too much in his freshman year.
 
#70
#70
YankeeVol said:
That’s yet to be determined
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Not for the folks with even a little bit of football sense. They already know it was a good hire. For those that don't see a ton of improvement by a team headed in the right direction, well, they will never see it! A first year coach with subpar talent nearly pulled off the 2nd upset of an SEC team with 3 still left to play.
 
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VolAllen said:
Guys, we deserved to lose last night. Not we, the fans. We deserve medals. We have stuck by the Vols year after year after year while Florida, UGA, Alabama, etc have gone out and made big hires. But South Carolina deserved to beat Tennessee last night. Why? Because their administration is dedicated to winning (or at least trying to win). South Carolina's last 3 hires have been Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, and Will Muschamp. Those 3 coaches have a combined record of 524-256. Now, keep in mind, a lot of those losses came while they were coaching @ SC. Their records are much better if you subtract their early seasons @ SC.

On the contrary, our last 3 hires have a combined record of 119-100. Do you see the issue here? South Carolina.....SOUTH CAROLINA have gone out and hired EXPERIENCED coaches, while we keep hiring Google search coaches. We're never going to compete like this. Ever. Tennessee is not a place to "cut your teeth". When you hire guys that are barely over the .500 mark, how do you expect much more than 6-6?

They're gambling. They're not investing. And they're doing it with our money. Pruitt may end up being a great coach, but if that does happen, it was luck.

Anyone else see Mike Leach (129-82) beat Stanford last night? Gundy (119-56) and Oklahoma State beat Texas? Would a Les Miles (141-55) Tennessee have lost last night? What could have been...
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Take away Spurrier's record and Florida, then look at that record.

Do you really believe Muschamp is a top level coach? He is going to be 6-6 to 8-4 at USCe, He will have ZERO SEC Championships!!

You do see that Leach's record is equal to 6-4 don't you? Gundy was NEVER leaving Oklahoma State. Les Miles would be a disaster unless you like a team with no QB. Miles idea of offense was 14 points and we hold the opponent to less than that. Those three should not be considered ever for the Tennessee Head Coach.

I'm a believer in Pruitt. He is going to build Tennessee back to the Fulmer years. And sooner than you think.
 
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Gandalf said:
Pruitt is Fulmer's a 5* Head Coach recruit. Fans are expecting him to contribute a bit too much in his freshman year.
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Why would he be a 5* recruit? It isn't like he was getting offers from anyone else.

But actually he is doing about what should have been expected. Which is what pisses me off to no end. There was no reason a proven coach shouldn't have been hired. Other than the ol' "he wouldn't fit in here" and the powers that be refused to spend the money on a guy that was proven and would fit in.
 
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butchna said:
Cuz Fulmer won 150 games.
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Exactly.. who would want another coach that could lead us to a decade like the 90's?

Maybe all of the CJP fanboys will be proven correct and he will turn into a great coach and I sincerely hope he does. However I'm going to remained aggravated at the administration for not hiring someone to coach here that wasn't a rookie.
 
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