Bombs found at Clinton and Soros Homes

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luthervol said:
The left had lunatics long before Trump. Repulsive behavior should never be rewarded. The fact that it was with Trump changed the dynamics. It's difficult to claim an action, stance, or belief is wrong when that very thing led to the election of the current POTUS. You guys never seemed to have understood that that is one of the things that makes the Trump fiasco so damaging to the nation. The new norm is rotten.
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Just like the left has failed to understand they lost because they ran Hillary. Democrats ran with an equally horrible candidate who just so happened to represent more of the same crap Washington has spewed out for years. You seem all for holding Republicans accountable for Trump while still 100% steadfastly denying the shortcomings in your own party. Both sides are responsible for the America we now live in. Your continued dogged pursuit to lay it squarely at the feet of the opposition just does not fly. Both sides carry equal blame, but rather than offering up suggestions of how your own party could/should course correct yourself, you continue this temper tantrum of "Blame the Right!" Only the right can fix the right and only the left can fix the left. The back and forth screaming that goes on between the two political spectrums will never fix the problem until they both address their own behavior.

Trump won because he was perceived as different. If the left wants to gain traction, they need to change so they can be perceived as different as well. People are tired of the same old BS every election.
 
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luthervol said:
Trump has intentionally and continually fostered a deep hatred toward the media and all politicians on the left. He has done his best to normalize repulsive and aggressive words and actions.
The idiotic "lock her up" chant should have been enough to warn off any decent thinking voter. The fact that it is still popular at his pep rallies says it all.
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First off, the left has also engaged in hate talk and encouraged uncivil actions. Just because CNN refuses to call out the Dems for similar actions doesn't mean they aren't happening. Trump is a blowhard and engages in unnecessary rhetoric, but let's not pretend or ignore politicians on the left who do the exact same thing but either get a pass from you, or are defended by you.

Secondly, Hillary should have been locked up. Yes, she escaped prosecution, but that far from makes her innocent. Any decent person, not voter, could look at the situation and see Hillary was corrupt as hell, a liar, and an overall horrible person. The fact those so firmly entrenched on the left continue to defend her speaks volumes as to how much weight they truly put into character.
 
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hog88 said:
Who's culpable if it turns out to be a left wing loon?
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Legally culpable? The bomber.

Most morally culpable? The current political climate, left and right.


Grand Vol said:
Where is the left in regards to this?

Be objective, be fair.
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See above.


Grand Vol said:
Remember this reasonable LG post?

Yeah, I like it when his meds are in balance.
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Unfortunately my hopes were dashed and my expectation met. Didn't even take him 24 hours to go off on a blathering tangent to blame one of his go-to boogeymen.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Legally culpable? The bomber.

Most morally culpable? The current political climate, left and right.




See above.





Unfortunately my hopes were dashed and my expectation met. Didn't even take him 24 hours to go off on a blathering tangent to blame one of his go-to boogeymen.
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So Trump is still morally culpable?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its a question of degree.

Is Trump legally culpable for it if some unsteady person took his cheering for violence and antagonism of the left way too far? No.

Is Trump more morally culpable than you are for it? Yes.

So somewhere in between.
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Got it. So after her comments last week, HRC is equally responsible if a loon on the left perpetuates a violent act against someone on the right. I just want to be sure we're using a level playing field just in case such an occurrence should happen. That way you can't change the rules mid-game. Both sides have a tendency to do that, but moreso the left recently.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Legally culpable? The bomber.

Most morally culpable? The current political climate, left and right.




See above.





Unfortunately my hopes were dashed and my expectation met. Didn't even take him 24 hours to go off on a blathering tangent to blame one of his go-to boogeymen.
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See. You're changing rules again. If it's a right leaning loon, it's Trump's fault. If it's a left leaning loon, it's both sides fault. How does that make sense?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You do realize there is more than enough blame on BOTH sides?
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You are shifting subjects. The issue is not simply blame. Its what do we do about it?

As discussed yesterday, Trump had a great chance to be a leader on this and to say, you know what, don't take our political differences to the point of saying something that might be interpreted by an unstable person as touting violence. Had he stuck to the script from yesterday, he's have been more than halfway there.

But, the real Donald Trump showed up this morning on Twitter. Not only did he stray entirely away from the prior day's message -- he junked it in favor of blaming the media, when CNN was one of the media organizations that had received a package.

Imagine if, in short order, HRC went on tour bashing Fox as the enemy of the people, pointed to the Fox report in every audience and encouraged people in the audience to boo them ferociously. Then, she went to a rally and openly congratulated a candidate for physically criminally assaulting a Fox reporter, to the cheers of her audience.

And then a week or so later bombs started showing up at the Trump WH, Fox, etc.

And then she gave a speech saying "there's no place for violence!" Followed by a facebook post by her the next day that this is all Fox's own fault.
 
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Weezer said:
See. You're changing rules again. If it's a right leaning loon, it's Trump's fault. If it's a left leaning loon, it's both sides fault. How does that make sense?
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Does it make sense to attach a high degree of importance to the motives of a loon in the first place? The package sent to CNN was addressed to John Brennan even though there would be no reason for him to be there. DWS's name was misspelled...
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are shifting subjects. The issue is not simply blame. Its what do we do about it?

As discussed yesterday, Trump had a great chance to be a leader on this and to say, you know what, don't take our political differences to the point of saying something that might be interpreted by an unstable person as touting violence. Had he stuck to the script from yesterday, he's have been more than halfway there.

But, the real Donald Trump showed up this morning on Twitter. Not only did he stray entirely away from the prior day's message -- he junked it in favor of blaming the media, when CNN was one of the media organizations that had received a package.

Imagine if, in short order, HRC went on tour bashing Fox as the enemy of the people, pointed to the Fox report in every audience and encouraged people in the audience to boo them ferociously. Then, she went to a rally and openly congratulated a candidate for physically criminally assaulting a Fox reporter, to the cheers of her audience.

And then a week or so later bombs started showing up at the Trump WH, Fox, etc.

And then she gave a speech saying "there's no place for violence!" Followed by a facebook post by her the next day that this is all Fox's own fault.
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I imagine you'd defend her, much like you have in the past when she engages in poor behavior. Look, if you want to come out against Trump and decry his behavior, I'm all for it. He does need to dial it back. But keep your message consistent and call out the left for engaging in similar behavior.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Does it make sense to attach a high degree of importance to the motives of a loon in the first place? The package sent to CNN was addressed to John Brennan even though there would be no reason for him to be there. DWS's name was misspelled...
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IMO, crazy is crazy and will not be understood, but that doesn't stop people on either side from assigning blame. If it's gonna happen, let's keep it consistent on how we play the blame game.
 
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Weezer said:
IMO, crazy is crazy and will not be understood, but that doesn't stop people on either side from assigning blame. If it's gonna happen, let's keep it consistent on how we play the blame game.
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Still waiting on your consistency of calling out the people that want to blame the dems. You get no points.
 
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Mick said:
Still waiting on your consistency of calling out the people that want to blame the dems. You get no points.
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Blame the Dems for what exactly? There are some things they should be blamed for, so you'll need to narrow it down.
 
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