The QB Debate - post South Carolina (merged)

[DVols33]

Ok. Then made up. Is that better? The stats are right there buddy.

92.4 QB rating

 

[k-town_king]

92.4 QB rating

He had a great quarter. No one is disputing that.

There it is! The gold standard for QB's on this board. Ignore the TD's. Ignore the lack of INT's. Its that completion % that means everything! lol.

He isn't accurate. 5/7 was an anomaly. He was his usual 4/8 in the second.

Well I think it is hard to look at stats and not look at wins and losses and to this date JG has one SEC win. Now not all of those are on him but a QB is judged on wins and losses more than yards thrown per game.

He beat a better team than KC ever has. KC had a better team in an easier situation and still JG has the best win between the two.

Except he didn't beat GT, QD did

Who has KC beaten that was good?

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Anyone can get the ball out quickly. The real thing is quickly knowing where to quickly get it out to!!
That's JG's problem.

Then what is KC's problem? Got it out in the same amount of time. For the career and season JG is much more accurate.

Maybe you will stop twisting facts some day but I doubt it.

KC made the reads and decisions faster. He made more consistently good reads. Sometimes the best play is an incompletion.

You’re just so completely warped with your idol worship that you can’t admit anyone does anything better than JG or that he has significant weaknesses in this department

Numbers don't lie. Y'all are. They got it out in the same amount of time. JG has been the better qb overall. KC had one good quarter this year.

He actually reclassified himself with the recruiting services to draw more attention

Pretty sure I corrected you or someone else on this lie. Recruits don't pick how they are classified. Everyone knows the services determine those things.

You don't score over 90 on the QB scale if you play bad the 2nd half of a game. coaches put KC under center and decided to run the ball the 2nd half. Why? I don't know unless they were trying to limit more injuries at QB since they didn't know the extent of JG's injury.

He had more attempts the second half. He had just as many drives throwing the ball in the second half as the first before they Just went to handing off. He wasn't good. No excuse.

 

[DVols33]

Can we drop the myth that he is a Dual Threat? He has taken 40 sacks and is a career -89 rusher
Jarrett Guarantano

Wow... I wasn't aware of that but it is right there.. -89 yds rushing..... I guess a bigger Wow is how so many still see him as a running QB. And as far as a running QB goes I think people look for those that can escape the blitz and run for yardage else we'd be running that crazy wildcat formation all the time.

 

[DVols33]

He had a great quarter. No one is disputing that.

They don't give out QB ratings over 90 for just 1 quarter. That grade is for the entire time he was in the game. Can't help it if the coaches put him under center and ran the ball the 2nd half.

 

[k-town_king]

2 sacks per game this year for JG. Let's stop trying to find some new agenda driven narrative to bash JG. Yes he had a ton last year. 2 per game this year.

Lmao. Y'all are funny. It's sad really.

But let's act like he hasn't improved a ton this year.

 

[DVols33]

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He had more attempts the second half. He had just as many drives throwing the ball in the second half as the first before they Just went to handing off. He wasn't good. No excuse.[/QUOTE]

You need to watch the game again. How many pass attempts on 1st or 2nd down were made in the 2nd half.

 

[k-town_king]

They don't give out QB ratings over 90 for just 1 quarter. That grade is for the entire time he was in the game. Can't help it if the coaches put him under center and ran the ball the 2nd half.

Stop with that. He had MORE ATTEMPTS in the second half. He had two good drives period. Then he had several he didn't do anything on. The TWO drives were great. He started with a great rating. Then it dropped. That is a very simple concept to understand

If he started and played a whole game two drives would not mean as much to the number. But he came in down 28 in scoring position and started off great.

 

[k-town_king]

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He had more attempts the second half. He had just as many drives throwing the ball in the second half as the first before they Just went to handing off. He wasn't good. No excuse.

You need to watch the game again. How many pass attempts on 1st or 2nd down were made in the 2nd half.[/QUOTE]
It doesnt matter what down. So if JG wasn't passing on first down because they hadn't adjusted yet like they were doing when JG got hurt are you going to excuse his first quarter? We started out super predictable.

More attempts and the same or more drives trying to score in the second.

 

[DVols33]

2 sacks per game this year for JG. Let's stop trying to find some new agenda driven narrative to bash JG. Yes he had a ton last year. 2 per game this year.

Lmao. Y'all are funny. It's sad really.

But let's act like he hasn't improved a ton this year.

His passing accuracy has improved a great deal but he still can't find his secondary receivers, can't avoid the rush or should I say can't see the rush and according to the coaches he still has trouble checking off at the line.

Bottom line he needs to learn. And KC is the one he should be watching. For KC is not all that quick but he sees the field and gets the pass off. And you can't learn watching someone in practice. That said the 2 quarters that KC was allowed to throw the ball would be good training film for JG to watch.

 

[DVols33]

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He had more attempts the second half. He had just as many drives throwing the ball in the second half as the first before they Just went to handing off. He wasn't good. No excuse.[/QUOTE]

"He wasn't good." Well he put 2 TD's on the board so what does that say about JG who put 0 TD's on the board? And you are a fool if you think they give out QB ratings over 90 to QB's that "wasn't good" for a half of football.

How old are you... 5?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Look out folks the JG spin train of mediocrity is full throttle in this thread!!

 

[k-town_king]

His passing accuracy has improved a great deal but he still can't find his secondary receivers, can't avoid the rush or should I say can't see the rush and according to the coaches he still has trouble checking off at the line.

Bottom line he needs to learn. And KC is the one he should be watching. For KC is not all that quick but he sees the field and gets the pass off. And you can't learn watching someone in practice. That said the 2 quarters that KC was allowed to throw the ball would be good training film for JG to watch.

So good training would be watching two quarters of a qb where one quarter was even worse than his versus a less tougher situation? Lol

KC does none of those things that JG needs to improve on better. Not once when they have talked about JG improving have they said KC was better or JG should watch him to learn a skill.

If he was such a great decision maker he wouldn't be a a 54% passer who can't even get 1000 in a season or keep a job.

 

[k-town_king]

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He had more attempts the second half. He had just as many drives throwing the ball in the second half as the first before they Just went to handing off. He wasn't good. No excuse.

"He wasn't good." Well he put 2 TD's on the board so what does that say about JG who put 0 TD's on the board? And you are a fool if you think they give out QB ratings over 90 to QB's that "wasn't good" for a half of football.

How old are you... 5?[/QUOTE]
He had a great drive and a half. Great.

Pruitt and Saban both said he was the beneficiary of then adjusting on the drive and going forward. When the second half came they adjusted. He fail off then.

They don't just "give out ratings." They formulate them. He had a great drive and a half. His rating was SKY high. He had a few bad drives. It brought it down from super high to good. It's not like he set a record or played a whole game.

Wasn't JG rated higher in an actual road win versus a top 25 team when he played the whole game?

 

[FLVOL_79]

So good training would be watching two quarters of a qb where one quarter was even worse than his versus a less tougher situation? Lol

KC does none of those things that JG needs to improve on better. Not once when they have talked about JG improving have they said KC was better or JG should watch him to learn a skill.

If he was such a great decision maker he wouldn't be a a 54% passer who can't even get 1000 in a season or keep a job.

KC threw two TD's against Bama. JG didn't/couldn't.

 

[k-town_king]

"He wasn't good." Well he put 2 TD's on the board so what does that say about JG who put 0 TD's on the board? And you are a fool if you think they give out QB ratings over 90 to QB's that "wasn't good" for a half of football.

How old are you... 5?

He had a great drive and a half. Great.

I guess I wasnt clear I meant the second half he wasn't good. He wasnt.

Pruitt and Saban both said he was the beneficiary of Helton adjusting on the drive and going forward. When the second half came they adjusted. He fail off then.

They don't just "give out ratings." They formulate them. He had a great drive and a half. His rating was SKY high. He had a few bad drives. It brought it down from super high to good. It's not like he set a record or played a whole game.

Wasn't JG rated higher in an actual road win versus a top 25 team when he played the whole game?[/QUOTE]

 

[DVols33]

So good training would be watching two quarters of a qb where one quarter was even worse than his versus a less tougher situation? Lol

KC does none of those things that JG needs to improve on better. Not once when they have talked about JG improving have they said KC was better or JG should watch him to learn a skill.

If he was such a great decision maker he wouldn't be a a 54% passer who can't even get 1000 in a season or keep a job.

You are 5 yrs old aren't you? And the sports writers are all saying that JG does not have the intangibles and KC does. And KC was a great QB before his injury. And finally why are you so defensive of JG? Are you dating him?

 

[k-town_king]

KC threw two TD's against Bama. JG didn't/couldn't.

JG put us in scoring position. He would have had one. Probably the second one too.

Pruitt and Saban both said they finally made adjustments on that driveand it caught them off balance.

Its also a lot easier to throw two tds if you play 3 quarters of a game versus one. So how many did KC throw versus Auburn?

 

[ksgovols]

Ok. Then made up. Is that better? The stats are right there buddy.

What's the stat concerning blitz pickups and pre snap audibles to a better play or more protection? Seeing the field and feel for the game is an intangible.

 

[k-town_king]

You are 5 yrs old aren't you? And the sports writers are all saying that JG does not have the intangibles and KC does. And KC was a great QB before his injury. And finally why are you so defensive of JG? Are you dating him?

Not one has said that. Show a link. Some have talked about JG improving. He is in his first year starting full time. Of course he needs to improve.

None of them have written that KC is better in those areas. You are adding in things to fit you agenda.

When was KC great? He never beat a good team. Never had 1000 yard season.

The only five year old is you. You have no argument so here come the childish insults.

 

[BeecherVol]

 

[vol.E]

Chryst has a historic 130 QB rating. He’s not a world beater but he’s solid.

JG has more raw ability but could learn a bit about reading the field from Chryst. If he’s half the talent I hope he is...he’s already learning

 

[k-town_king]

What's the stat concerning blitz pickups and pre snap audibles to a better play or more protection? Seeing the field and feel for the game is an intangible.

Two sacks per game. Big time improvements over last year.

Most and qbs in college aren't calling audibles. KC isn't.

Stop acting like y'all are in the coaches room and know who has what responsibility and who called what at the line.

 

[FLVOL_79]

JG put us in scoring position. He would have had one. Probably the second one too.

Pruitt and Saban both said they finally made adjustments on that driveand it caught them off balance.

Its also a lot easier to throw two tds if you play 3 quarters of a game versus one. So how many did KC throw versus Auburn?

Zero. The same amount JG thew against Alabama. How many TD's did JG throw against Florida? Or ETSU?

 

[Woke]

When coaches and experts like Danielson say JG lacks the intangibles to be a top SEC QB what part of the word “intangibles” is unclear? By definition “intangibles” can’t be measured in “stats”. Therefore “stats” in JG’s case are meaningless. Stats are only meaningful in comparing QBs who already possess all the “intangibles” necessary to succeed. If you can’t see the field and take 40 sacks and get pancaked on almost every single throw whether complete or incomplete the stats tell you nothing.

KC is the better QB but not the better athlete. His only problem is a longevity / eligibility problem. He won’t be here next year so starting and winning with KC builds nothing for the future in the eyes of our coaches. That’s the bottom line

 

[k-town_king]

Zero. The same amount JG thew against Alabama. How many TD's did JG throw against Florida? Or ETSU?

You really bring up a blowout he had a 160 rating in? Lol

Florida was a bad game. Chryst was 3/7 with no tds in that game btw.

But the same amount as Chryst had in 5 games this year.